Ease of death/PKill

ii. 50% refund if the player is awakened, but not at least level 60 in force. [i:3qnrsg5r](If they can afford to take a 5,000 point loss to roll
for stats, then I guess they deserve it)[/i:3qnrsg5r][/quote:3qnrsg5r]
I’d say some sort of refund (2,000 points?) for not making avatar, either, because in the grand scheme of Jedi v. Sith, if you can’t avatar, you’re worthless–because the Sith Lords and Jedi Masters will RickRoll you within rounds (player skill helps a damn lot, sure, but forcer battles are far more drawn out than non-forcer ones–so the raw lightsaber_mastery advantage swings into play).

I’ll probably have some other comments, but I’m tired, so that’s it for now.

EDIT: Additional Comment 1 – What’s to stop a determined permer from camping the clone spawn? So it’s in a "safe area"–does that mean the room or a few rooms are safe? How about the entire planet (they could camp right outside the building)? The entire sector (they could camp orbit)?

Personally, I’d have some sort of Kamino-esque sector devoted to NOTHING but cloning, and have the entire thing perm-free. But that’s a further bastardization of EU and plain reality that I’m inherently against. (I was, and still mainly am, for an "unlimited cloning" system that has random, across-the-board skill % decreases.)[/quote:3qnrsg5r]

I will make it totally unreachable by players unless they are logging in on a clone. We can change the code so the cloner use the skill anywhere in the game. The players get killed would wake up in the facility which is physically disconnected. When they’re ready to rejoin the game, they select the planet or even clan base (based on clan status) that they want to go to, and that’s it. From that point on, it’s IC. The facility would have to be flagged to prohibit attacks, or dubbing. No comlinks. It would not have a library or items worth studying. Characters can have fabric, a needle and thread, and a workshop. Ideally, they’d be prepared for this event, and they’d have a spare set of armor in a locker somewhere in the game. When they’re ready to go, they just select the planet where their gear is and rejoin the IC world.

c. Clones have the exact same levels as the original at the time of death.
d. Players may choose to RP their character as a clone, or as though they miraculously survived.
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Why would they have the same levels as the time of death instead of the time of the clone? If thats the case, everyone should be cloned at level 1, straight out of the academy. And why allow them the choice of which route they want to RP? They’re a clone, the original didn’t survive, thats the whole point.[/quote:1vv5ot6n]
Agreed, on both counts. While I’m all for "RP this as you see fit" in most situations, I really like how cloning is currently handled ICly and I’d vote for not touching it.

c. Clones have the exact same levels as the original at the time of death.
d. Players may choose to RP their character as a clone, or as though they miraculously survived.
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Why would they have the same levels as the time of death instead of the time of the clone? If thats the case, everyone should be cloned at level 1, straight out of the academy. And why allow them the choice of which route they want to RP? They’re a clone, the original didn’t survive, thats the whole point.
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There is nothing in my proposal to stop a character from going and getting a clone straight out of the academy. If the level discrepancy bothers the pbase, then we can call cloning something else. "Medical insurance policy."

The reason that the player would have the same levels on the clone as they did when they were killed is because I want players to be able to handle their restore request from on their clone in order to keep RP moving. A clan could be unfairly affected by a key member sitting on a restore for a few days.

If they die, they may log into their clone and handle their perm dispute while their RP continues. If their restore request is granted, then they are granted a new clone to replace the one they just used. This system would not work unless the first life and the second life were really just the same thing.

My concern is that in the past, we would have PK disputes based on what one player feels that another should, or shouldn’t know on their ‘clone’. I really can’t offer administrative support in weeding out valid PKs from invalid PKs because it often comes down to a he-said-she-said situation. My intention is to make one-size-fits-all system that is simple to understand and does not throw unnecessary wrenches into a restore dispute. Players who wish to RP their clone as an actual clone may do so. Some players don’t keep careful record of what their character knew at the time of clone and cannot properly RP their character from the point of cloning. Most players are not willing to RP a clone as a blank slate with no prior RP. I am not willing to force clones to RP from ground zero because I believe that it would be very unpopular with the pbase. Players who have felt obligated in the past to RP from a blank slate have relied on others to quickly fill their character in on what their former life had been doing. This process usually took about 5 minutes. Between the three options, RP from the point of death is the option that requires the least amount of administrative management and allows the players the most flexibility in their RP. Players may RP their clone in any way that they like, but they must anticipate that everyone is RPing from the point of death if they are killed.

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Just have clones wake up in a charted system like Kamino, but make sure there aren’t any charts.

Person gets cloned on Coruscant, their clone wakes up on Kamino and can hail a taxi to take to any planet. Only problem I see is that they might need a comlink to clantalk for help if, say, the clan’s main planet is in a charted system.
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That’s basically what I’ve said, but your way gives it a more IC feel. I do not care how this works out ICly, so long as it works mechanically.

iv. Points earned from all lives are added together and are awarded upon final death.[/quote:3vqezuze]

Can you explain this further? If you get 3/4s, then half, then 1/4….Does that mean if you work through your 1st life and both clones…that you’d actually get more points overall than you would if you just "died" the first time? Or am I misunderstanding?

EDIT: I pretty much agree with everything Kora said above

I thought the reason restores had to be done with different characters was because clones and re-creations overwrote the pfile. I think we should keep it how it is with needing another character to do the restore.[/quote:21lhhwo7]
Cloning is just a player skill front-end for the pfile backup system, as far as I know. However, what Anna’s been talking about, I think, is that you can activate your clone and THEN go for a restore–but you’re trading the play time while you’re dealing with the RPC for losing your gear and any levels you got after you made the clone. If you really want your gear and don’t care about playing while you deal with the RPC for a week, don’t activate the clone–just talk to the RPC on an alt.[/quote:21lhhwo7]

I had meant that the clone would take on the levels of the character at the time of death regardless of the time that the clone was made, but having read everyone’s comments on that, I’m fine with keeping the current system of clones taking taking the levels and stats of the original player at the time of cloning. Of course, the players would have to understand that they will forfeit those levels permanently upon activating their clone.