Ease of death/PKill

Simulators Made things so much easier when it came to p death in the past for appropiate clans. Also Some times there is an rp reason for death, you didn’t want an imperial to scan you, And sometimes the imperials feel like killing you for the sake of killing you, You looked at them wrong, you coughed, whatever the reason, they seem to find an rp reason to do a pkill

The thing to keep in mind with the "we don’t want more Ba’buir shit" argument is cloning had like a 5-10% chance of succeeding when he was doing that. Those weren’t legit clones, and it doesn’t matter. The issue was he was perming everyone in sight with no restores, no repercussions, and everyone else was having clone failures left right and center.

[b:2o3l2cbh]1. Players will be required to log in on an account. Newbies will be required to create an account prior to creating a character.[/b:2o3l2cbh]
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh]Agreed. Should have been like this from the start in my opinion.[/color:2o3l2cbh]

[b:2o3l2cbh]2. Players under level xx can not be permed unless they are deliberately permed by another player. This means that the player can not die by mobs, or a ship related accident. (the players should decide the level cut off for this).[/b:2o3l2cbh]
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh]Can you even die by mobs? I mean I know the lyleks will perm these days, but really, has any other mob ever permed a player?[/color:2o3l2cbh]
a. Players who die in this manner will wake up in the cloning facility with no eq and be subject to a 12-24 hour hp/mv penalty. They will not qualify for a restore or any other kind of recourse against their death.
b. If a player is found to be abusing this system, they will get a flag on their account that disables it, and that player will be permed in all characters associated with their account.

[b:2o3l2cbh]3. For players who wish to clone, they will be guaranteed up to 2 fully functioning clones.[/b:2o3l2cbh]
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh][b:2o3l2cbh]GUARANTEED?[/b:2o3l2cbh] Sounds a little excessive. Like I read in another post, I think MAYBE 1 would be acceptable, but I’m not sure about guaranteed. I understand this is a game, but to be guaranteed basically a freebie I don’t agree with. You could have a situation where it just worked out perfectly, permer did everything great, RP’d, cornered kill. Permee of course doesn’t [i:2o3l2cbh]want[/i:2o3l2cbh] to die, but accepts that they were beaten fairly. But oh wait, he’s guaranteed to come back, so what’s the harm? Kind of takes away from the kill as his next one just might be an accident, or a bitch kill. Could also be abused as basically a reset. You got caught, fucked and beaten. But you know you still got a clone waitint so you say hey, fuck it. Die and you come back, no problem.[/color:2o3l2cbh]
a. Cloning will be made reasonably available to all players. (It will not be restricted to a particular clan)
b. Players will experience a 12 – 24 hour period of HP/MV drop upon accessing a clone to prevent the player from rejoining in an ongoing battle.
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh]Something else I think should have been in since the beginning. Despite the fact it’s a clone, you’re still going to have a moment of weakness to get your body going again. From the perspective of an athlete, I can tell you, that even in the best shape, if you’re out of commission for any length of time, it takes a little bit to get back into the full swing.[/color:2o3l2cbh]
c. Clones have the exact same levels as the original at the time of death.
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh]Doesn’t make sense. Make it easy to update the clone, but at the time of death? How the hell does that work?[/color:2o3l2cbh]
d. Players may choose to RP their character as a clone, or as though they miraculously survived.
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh]Doesn’t make sense again. From an RP standpoint, if you killed someone, their corpse is there. You looted their body. They have NOTHING and the body is staring you in the face. How the hell did they ‘miraculously’ survive?[/color:2o3l2cbh]
e. Restores may be handled from on the clone if the player is willing to forfeit any gear that may otherwise remain on their restored character.
f. Clones will wake up in an area that affords them privacy, and a safe place to wait until they are ready to leave.
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh]Nothing wrong with this. Could be RPed it’s a medical facility with heavily armed guards and what have you, but still… you wouldn’t think certain individuals couldn’t make their way in and take out newly ‘hatched’ clones?[/color:2o3l2cbh]

[b:2o3l2cbh]4. Account points need to provide enough points to replace lost characters.[/b:2o3l2cbh]
a. Account point rewards are decreased with each clone.
b. Account points are given upon death according to number of life that the player is on.
i. First life earns an automatic 3/4 the spent points, plus a point allotment that is based on time played.
ii. Second life/clone earns ½ of the original spent points after x amount of time on the second life, but no additional points for
time played. (I’m hoping that the reduction of points will serve as the downside to playing a clone that Corey was trying to go for)
iii. Third life/clone earns ¼ of the original spent points after x amount of time on the third life, and no additional points for time played.
iv. Points earned from all lives are added together and are awarded upon final death.
c. Restored lives put the clone back to the previous life count, so points earned upon death will be based on that life number.
d. Force points are refundable based on circumstance.
i. 100% refund if the player is not awakened. (If players are choosing not to awaken someone because they think that the character will be a bad forcer, then for pete’s sakes give the player a refund. They’ll roll it again, and again, and eventually, they’ll figure out that people don’t want to RP with them, and they’ll go spend their points on a few expensive races.)
[color=#FF0000:2o3l2cbh]Definitely agree with this. Would be just completely bullshit if you bought force, but no one ever awakened you. Not everyone knows that ‘there are too many forcers so masters won’t awaken anyone’. Or if you roll really low, they won’t bother. Maybe someone wanted to roll low force and play a skilled combatant with a little bit of ‘force adept’ powers?[/color:2o3l2cbh]
ii. 50% refund if the player is awakened, but not at least level 60 in force. (If they can afford to take a 5,000 point loss to roll for stats, then I guess they deserve it)

I agree with Coffin. I like having few characters. I don’t care for constantly rerolling just to get points. After my last main kicked in (in a very unfair way imo) I stopped playing for quite some time, mainly because I enjoyed him and it was hard for me to get into another character as a main. Most of my points came from end of time line or work on the mud building rooms. I don’t find points easy to come by. Unless it’s desc, when will that happen again? <!– s:-D –><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="" title="Very Happy" /><!– s:-D –>

[b:37vhx26q]1. Players will be required to log in on an account. Newbies will be required to create an account prior to creating a character.[/b:37vhx26q]

[b:37vhx26q]2. Players under level xx can not be permed unless they are deliberately permed by another player. This means that the player can not[/b:37vhx26q]
[b:37vhx26q]die by mobs, or a ship related accident. (the players should decide the level cut off for this)[/b:37vhx26q]
a. Players who die in this manner will wake up in the cloning facility with no eq and be subject to a 12-24 hour hp/mv penalty. They
will not qualify for a restore or any other kind of recourse against their death.
b. If a player is found to be abusing this system, they will get a flag on their account that disables it, and that player will be permed
in all characters associated with their account.
[color=#BF0000:37vhx26q]#2 Seems pretty solid. Yes, you can die from other mods, like pirates. I found out the hard way the first time I played.[/color:37vhx26q]

[b:37vhx26q]3. For players who wish to clone, they will be guaranteed up to 2 fully functioning clones.[/b:37vhx26q]
[color=#BF0000:37vhx26q]As I stated in a previous post, I think one guaranteed clone should be offered, and each consecutive clone chance of success should be decreased. I think this allows people to be willing to take a chance. Once their second guaranteed clone is gone, back to sitting on Yavin until the EOE. If they know they have another chance at a revival, even a lowered chance, they may be more willing to get back out there.[/color:37vhx26q]
a. Cloning will be made reasonably available to all players. (It will not be restricted to a particular clan)
b. Players will experience a 12 – 24 hour period of HP/MV drop upon accessing a clone to prevent the player from rejoining in an
ongoing battle.
c. Clones have the exact same levels as the original at the time of death.
[color=#BF0000:37vhx26q]RP Wise, this doesn’t make sense. BUT, it would be nice for your first clone, under level 100, will be the exact same (just because you fucked up, probably an accident or the wrong place at the wrong time). I think the clone should update at level 100. Everything after that, you should see a doctor to &quot;update&quot; your memory banks (skill levels , %, feats, etc).[/color:37vhx26q]
d. Players may choose to RP their character as a clone, or as though they miraculously survived.
[color=#BF0000:37vhx26q]I think miraculously survival should only be for restores. I don’t think you were shot in the dome and miraculously survive by waking up on another planet in a tube full of liquid[/color:37vhx26q].
e. Restores may be handled from on the clone if the player is willing to forfeit any gear that may otherwise remain on their
restored character.
f. Clones will wake up in an area that affords them privacy, and a safe place to wait until they are ready to leave.
[color=#BF0000:37vhx26q]A facility on a planet that is not accessible. It should have a CommShack, a clothing store, a hotel, an unhackable bank, and a landing pad that can call taxis, or a command that allows you to leave so people don’t sit in taxis waiting to be called there. That and people shouldn’t be able to &quot;hide&quot; there forever. Realizing you are on your last clone and deciding to stay there for ooc reasons until the dude who killed you is gone, should not be permitted.[/color:37vhx26q]

[b:37vhx26q]4. Account points need to provide enough points to replace lost characters[/b:37vhx26q]
a. Account point rewards are decreased with each clone.
[color=#FF0000:37vhx26q]I don’t think you should reduce the amount of account points for given clones. I would be upset for losing my chance at points for putting more time into my character.[/color:37vhx26q]
b. Account points are given upon death according to number of life that the player is on.
i. First life earns an automatic 3/4 the spent points, plus a point allotment that is based on time played.
ii. Second life/clone earns ½ of the original spent points after x amount of time on the second life, but no additional points for
time played. (I’m hoping that the reduction of points will serve as the downside to playing a clone that Corey was trying to go for)
iii. Third life/clone earns ¼ of the original spent points after x amount of time on the third life, and no additional points for
time played.
iv. Points earned from all lives are added together and are awarded upon final death.
c. Restored lives put the clone back to the previous life count, so points earned upon death will be based on that life number.
d. Force points are refundable based on circumstance.
i. 100% refund if the player is not awakened. (If players are choosing not to awaken someone because they think that the
character will be a bad forcer, then for pete’s sakes give the player a refund. They’ll roll it again, and again, and eventually,
they’ll figure out that people don’t want to RP with them, and they’ll go spend their points on a few expensive races.)
ii. 50% refund if the player is awakened, but not at least level 60 in force. (If they can afford to take a 5,000 point loss to roll
for stats, then I guess they deserve it)

I think the problem is that people opposed to cloning are the ones who have gone through hell trying to kill someone and want to see it stick. The thing is, the person they’re thinking of generally doesn’t stay permed for one reason or another. So the question is, how does it change anything? We need to stop thinking about this problem in regards to say, Kama, and focus on how it will effect that nameless Stormtrooper you’ve never met or RPed with who didn’t stand a chance at all.

People should just take lessons from me and not do illegal perms.

Suppose instead of two functioning clones, we have one fully functioning clone, and one partially functioning one. I think this blends the best of both schools of thought.

If the player is permed, then they can wake up on their clone, and apply for a restore. If they are granted the restore, then their clone count is raised by one, so that as far as the code is concerned, they are back to playing their original life.

If the player’s restore request is not granted, however, then they continue to live out this next life until they are killed again. They wake up then on their partial clone. The function of this partial clone is to allow players to continue leading their clan or finish up their storylines, but their character won’t be in any condition to join in any battles or even defend themselves if they needed to. Getting killed on this second clone is a perm no matter what, and players can not apply for a restore regardless of the circumstances of their perm.

I don’t know what we should do if the first clone is killed illegally, though.

Your thoughts?