Interceptors. And why they shouldn't be Firesprays.

Quote Ralen: “-”Stop hiding, enemy clan X” arguments are always retarded. If you are the dominant superpower of the Galaxy, do not sit and sulk on osay that people are (correctly, given the IC state of play in that situation) hiding out of your way. If it is boring when an underdeveloped clan is hiding from you, think how boring it will be if you crush them in the space of 5 minutes and then sit on your ass for an era. Use it in propaganda, bully -others- into hiding, or force other players into rebelling. If you cannot enjoy yourself as an evil character without battering other clans into submission and perming everyone that ever even slightly annoys you you fail hardcore, especially when “moustache-twirling archvillain” is handed to you on a plate.”

Couldn’t have said it better myself, because I’m not English.

Avanga, to correct you. Don’t use a cruiser against a battleship…if you don’t know how. Ralen…I so badly want to comment on the tractor beam thing but this is one of those things I’ll just have to shrug to, sometimes players need to learn things themselves. Back to the cruisers, a handfull of cruisers wrecked a handfull of cruisers + ISD’s, this era even. I’d take a Providence over an ISD, even with as much as unnamed Imm A blew it on those.

battlegroup nav ship one calc providence
battlegroup nav ship one hy
calc providence
hy
tractor providence

Congratulations, you’re caught. There’s really no way to avoid getting caught up in tractor beams if you want to stand and fight, and the person with the battleships isn’t retarded. The argument holds about as much water as the old “Lol RA, sorry you guys all got tractored into the bays and executed, learn how to pilot your Nebulons!”

Also, I’d like to point out that you started a thread about using superior ships even if it doesn’t fit your RP, now you’re trying to say you’d love to use inferior ships. o_O

I was kind of quoting walldo, really. “develop a new ship if the firespray isn’t viable” “develop a new ship if the cruiser isn’t viable”

Suffice to say, doing what Walldo says isn’t always possible when there are other immortals involved in the process and they want you to do a certain thing. *shrug*

Iek, no offense, but engineering clans (whose sole purposes are developing new things to put on the market) are expected to develop and keep up to date. It is not like your clan does not have the credits for it, or KDY for the matter, if you outdevelop them in the ship field. The timeline does not hinge on whether or not your clan sells the most bestest whatever. A major clan, especially the rebel group, having their hands tied from going into any warlike situation unless they are suicidal carries more weight.

Cruiser vs. battleship is a viable showdown, so long as the battleships cannot repeatedly spam tractor halt on the cruisers.

i’m not sure why you felt the need to say all of that, because that isn’t what i was saying. Though I like yours and Gyndi’s way of FUCK ALL RP EVER.

That is exactly what you said, stop victimizing yourself. Do not give if you cannot take.

“All fire stations, target Bai.”

“Tracking target, sir.”

“Target locked, sir!”

“Sir, we’re being targeted as well.”

“Take evasive maneuvers! We can’t repel butthurt of that magnitude!”

With that being said, why was I even brought into that? I made a comment that people shouldn’t play neutral constantly because it makes things stale in my opinion. I don’t shit on it ICly, just OOCly because it, IN MY OPINION (dear god, someone with an opposing opinion, hang them and burn their corpse), is lame. I actually take part in the awful-fest quite frequently because, well, it’s either go to one of the neutral engineering clans to get weapons and armor or go gearless.

Avanga. My man. With every post you make it clear you aren’t a pilot. Providence dodges. Its faster. It carries more interceptors. And…again there is something related to the tractor beams that kinda makes me look at the both of you complaining about them, and shake my head. NEITHER of you are pilots. Piloting things should NEVER be nerfed to make space easier for nonpilots. Learn the system, UNDERSTAND the system, THEN comment on it. Please for the love of god, I am so sick to death of watching everything get nerfed by a bunch of people who don’t know whats going on in the first place. (See: Lydor vs BHing. May vibroblades rest in peace.)

That isn’t what I said at all. What I said was Firesprays were put in and then changed and the YGs weren’t touched. IF you aren’t going to actually read my actually good reasons for even using the forums, then don’t say stupid comments and then say I’m victimizing myself when I tell you that you didn’t read what I said.

Additionally, there is NOTHING wrong with focusing on one thing to develop. Oh no, someone thought of a good idea of working together instead of what? trying to do everything??? I’ve been running engineering clans for a while now, and this is the first time I’ve worked together with the other clan and things are actually working out. So to tell me I’m stupid, when I’ve actually been working on this, is even more stupid. Go away. You don’t know what I’m doing, nor do I care if you do. Just don’t sit there and assume what I’m saying, when I am spelling out what I said and then say I’m victimizing myself when I’m just reiterating what I said to begin with when you didn’t read THAT.

Find ways to make credits, keep begging those who have them, I don’t care what you do, but cruisers are smaller than battleships. They will ALWAYS be tractored. Odds are this will not be changing any time soon. So, develop a battleship to go up against theirs.

I’m getting really tired of you guys telling me I’m victimizing myself when infact all I’m doing is trying to explain what I meant after I say something because you guys either A) do not read what I say to begin with, or B) don’t understand what I say or why I say it, or C) get annoyed by what I say because I’m right, and decide to lash out against me and I get mad.

So kindly stfu and go home.

I think maybe you’re thinking of the wrong ship but I’ll go over what you’ve been saying.

[quote]Providence dodges.[/quote]

There’s no piloting station. If cruisers get a passive bonus to dodge against battleships, from what I’ve seen it’s negligible at best. And in practical terms, one cruiser isn’t going to survive a battlegroup of ISDs shooting at it no matter who’s piloting it, even if it does get a dodge bonus.

[quote]Its faster.[/quote]

By 5 speed. Which, again, really doesn’t help you when anyone with half a brain can single off a battlegrouped ship and jump it onto the Providence if it’s going to escape. Or tractor halt spam, for that matter.

[quote]It carries more interceptors.[/quote]

You’re wrong. a Providence has 45/45. An ISD has 60/45.

[quote]And…again there is something related to the tractor beams that kinda makes me look at the both of you complaining about them, and shake my head.[/quote]

I actually don’t see tractoring as a terribly huge deal. It’s only going to be really, really effective in one of two situations. One, the ship tractoring you is in orbit of a planet you don’t control, in which case you should be ready to blow it up. Two, you’re seriously outnumbered in which case you shouldn’t have been there. I do think it’s cheesy, though, since tractorbeams aren’t meant to function that way in canon.

And from a personal standpoint? Get off your high horse. The last time I’ve seen you on a level playing field, you were rage-quitting your Mon Cal pilot. You’ve been doing the space equivalent of ten-man ganksquadding for as long as I can remember.