Interceptors. And why they shouldn't be Firesprays.

ISDs had a hangar big enough to hold a battleship inside for quite a while after the ship went in, and from what I was told the only reason it was eventually reduced to 60 was because having hangars that big on a ship was breaking something.

on the original topic of “canon” fighters not getting any use, there are “canon” examples of ships the same size or larger than firesprays being classed as fighters and used as squadrons, and it seems a little ridiculous to look at the basic problem being “clan fighters are crap compared to privately constructed small ships” and jump from that to “make it so you can’t squadron transports”

Walldo we are giving you examples of canon, which was said to not be the case, where transport type ships are used in squadrons. to completely ignore that is kind of ridiculous

For some reason, I’m going to bring up the old idea that squadrons should behave like battlegroups. IE you have to have one pilot in the squadron leader ship.

I’m of the opinion that major clans should have access to the absolute best firepower, hands down. They shouldn’t want or need to go to an engineering clan’s private stash to supplement their military.

lol i disagree

Of course you do, you end up leading every engineering clan ever.

I don’t necessarily believe that’s how it should be, Avanga, but that’s definitely how it should be for ships that engineering clans don’t actually develop, but are handed at start up (like the firespray).

You know, Avanga, you say that and yet the last two engineering clans I’ve led have actually been dumped on me and I don’t have the heart to dump it on someone else so I ride it out. SSI was dumped on me by Locksharp, and the current was dumped on me by the character Kuvan. So if you don’t want me leading clans, don’t give them to me. It IS the only thing I think I’m good at, but still. Don’t complain. I don’t do it on purpose.

I disagree because the Empire in canon did not do its own engineering of ships. Sienar and KDY were the two go-tos for the Empire, so how does it make sense to force them to ICly do the exact opposite and make their own ‘superior’ stuff? I definitely think (like in IRL) that “major” corporations/governments should have to contract out. And I’m not saying that because I “lol lead all the engineering clans”, but rather because it makes sense in a canon and an IRL way.

Avanga, that’s like saying the United States government should develop their own military planes instead of contracting out to Boeing or Lockheed Martin. How does that make any sense whatsoever?

1 – Bai, stop acting victimized. It was a statement of fact.

2 – Though the US uses public companies to develop their weapons, many don’t. Most notably, India and China’s fighter jets are developed by state-owned companies. More to the point, the Empire isn’t a freedom loving government that adheres to the concept of capitalism… they use a private think tank in the Maw for R&D and employ big shipyards to do the work so the Boeing/Lockheed Martin example doesn’t really work.

3 – The governments already develop and hold their own prints. All I’m saying is it makes sense that a government should be able to produce the best prints, due to the scale of their galactic control, connections with public and private companies, and all other little behind-the-scenes details that aren’t covered IC.

HEY GUYS, I AM NOT ACTING VICTIMIZED. I AM STATING FACTS IN RETURN TO DEFEND WHAT YOU PEOPLE SAY. IT IS NOT VICTIMIZATION.

I AM ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINIONS TOO

Part of giving your opinion is to state why you feel that way, and if I use personal experience and opinion to back up my claims, that doesn’t mean I’m victimizing myself. It is not fair to me for everyone on this god damn forum to use that as a defense when I give a legitimate opinion. Fuck all of you.

Huh, this blew up quick.

In defense of the Skipray, the wookieepedia made me think it was a gunship type deal 🙁 In defense of Bai’s development of the skipray, I will admit that I picked a name out of the hat not having the thought of “Let’s ask the developer to pick a canon name”. Walldo admonished me for that, and I apologize for not having the typical foresight of seeing how poorly that’d go with any ship developer.

I don’t think Transports are “poorly” thought up of at all. I had always considered Transports…just that, transports. Excellent hyper drive travel, IMO I always saw them as the best at that. Not going to comment too deeply on weaponized abilities of them, because I can’t remember how gung-ho I went with them. Pretty sure I made them relatively light on weaponry(Autoblasters seriously rock, guys), but if someone remembers Draenell’s stats more vividly, I’ll gladly recant. So the issue sounds more like someone just decided to give Transports way too much combat weapons versus a starfighter(Autoblasters suck for battlegroup 🙁 ).

I don’t see how fixing what can be battlegrouped being a desirable fix when it opened up a lot of options, when you could easily fix it by limiting what each class did combat wise/travel wise vs shipsize.

[Edit] Oh yeah, about Major Militaries going to Engineering clans, needs to happen. Makes sense that it happens. Unless you are talking about the blueprints, then you might be onto something, but, it’s tricky to have a Major Clan meet all its developing needs to keep up with the times if it has to rely on itself to upgrade its blueprints(Not just Capitals, but squadrons too). It’s easier to rely on engineering clans, because that’s what they do.

Yeah I’ve lost sight of what people are arguing about currently. All I’m trying to say is that a major clan, Empire, Republic, Sith, whatever, should be able to make use of their canon ships. Empire having a reason to use Tie’s…Rebels wanting to use X-Wings…for example. It doesn’t matter who makes them. As it is now…Everyone will always use the best publically available ship. And why is that? Because the privately available ones are garbage. Somehow though, me complaining about that turned into a mass flame war. Just…give people a reason to use the proper damned ships. Come on. Removing transports as an interceptor will change one thing only, its a nerf that offers NOTHING towards a solution. A nerf that should happen, but it still resolves -NOTHING-. Tie’s are garbage. X-Wings are garbage. Absolutely no decent naval commander for either side will -EVER- use them, unless they are forced to. Something that sadly happens to era 2 rebels, and early era 3 Imperials.