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August 30, 2009 at 3:11 pm #11150"Skiia":2d4c5940 wrote:The Yevethans should’ve been wiped out already. It’s very likely that they would be all gone, if it wasn’t for capitalrules.
That would open the door to conflict between other factions (I.E. GA vs NR)[/quote:2d4c5940]
And the NR would have been wiped out entirely in era 3 if it weren’t for safe-sectors.
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August 30, 2009 at 4:34 pm #11152"Gathorn":1jbfyb1m wrote:"Skiia":1jbfyb1m wrote:The Yevethans should’ve been wiped out already. It’s very likely that they would be all gone, if it wasn’t for capitalrules.
That would open the door to conflict between other factions (I.E. GA vs NR)[/quote:1jbfyb1m]
And the NR would have been wiped out entirely in era 3 if it weren’t for safe-sectors.[/quote:1jbfyb1m]
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August 30, 2009 at 9:18 pm #11154
While I don’t agree with the idea of clans being destroyed left, right and centre, I do agree with them being downgraded after loosing all territory and then possibly, only after loosing their hiding place/all personel could they be classed as destroyed.
On a side note, the bad guys also won in Era 1, the Republic was wiped out over Kamino (after having several fleets replaced due to the early GMT raids by Mandos).
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August 30, 2009 at 9:43 pm #11155"Jamie":2la2dfag wrote:While I don’t agree with the idea of clans being destroyed left, right and centre, I do agree with them being downgraded after [b:2la2dfag]loosing all territory[/b:2la2dfag] and then possibly, only after loosing their hiding place/all personel could they be classed as destroyed.
On a side note, the bad guys also won in Era 1, the Republic was wiped out over Kamino (after having several fleets replaced due to the early GMT raids by Mandos).[/quote:2la2dfag]
"Sergeant, loose the territories! They hunt tonight!"
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August 31, 2009 at 4:47 am #11180"Jamie":3jv713v9 wrote:While I don’t agree with the idea of clans being destroyed left, right and centre, I do agree with them being downgraded after loosing all territory and then possibly, only after loosing their hiding place/all personel could they be classed as destroyed.
On a side note, the bad guys also won in Era 1, the Republic was wiped out over Kamino (after having several fleets replaced due to the early GMT raids by Mandos).[/quote:3jv713v9]
We didn’t have our fleets replaced. We didn’t lose our fleets to early GMT raids. We lost our fleets to a few poor decisions made by attacking Onderon, a safe sector and Nield falling for the "lol target my scout ship so my fleet will target you" tactic. Every clan was given ships for the EoT practically also.
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September 1, 2009 at 3:04 am #11187
i understand what’s being saying, but sticking with the usual premise gets boring after 4 years of the same sort of thing. I’d honestly like to see a Mandalorian Empire ruling the galaxy during the imperial era. I’ve always ALWAYS been a fan of what-ifs when it comes to Star Wars. What if Anakin listened to Padme? What if Luke joined Vader? What if Obi-Wan was killed at Mustafar? What if the Emperor was correct with all of his premonitions? What -if- Dooku Succeeded in killing both Anakin and Obi-Wan?
So many questions left unanswered, so many answers left unquestioned. So many threads in the quilt that is storyline. So many choices. It drives one mad to think what could have become of the world if the Mandalorians had wiped out the Republic. If Revan didn’t disobey the council. If Malak had killed Revan. If Bastila had died on Malak’s flagship.
Sure, we can /guess/ that’s all fun and good. We can write Alternate Timelines. We can do all sorts of fun crazy things. But it doesn’t make it -real- unless others follow suit and create a place where said things can be roleplayed accordingly. The key thing to Star Wars is Storytelling, is choice. Is the eternal fight, waged within every man woman and child. I understand how we /can’t/ go off into a tangent. But I know if it was allowed, we could. LOTJ is about crafting your own destiny, creating your own Star Wars story(until KOTR comes out, anyway). I would love to see a change. I would love to see many a thing, that is merely a dream at this point. Code things, Story things, Character things. All sorts of crazy wild things. Clan names could mean something, sure. They could mean different things from what we all seem to understand, but if there were different clan names each Era.
The Mando’a Empire, vs the Scattered Republic. The Lorellian Empire vs the Hapan Republic. I don’t know. Mix it up. Let one side win. Change some clan names. Let the clans forge the future eras, rather then the Immortals following a age-old guide that’s been around since before i started playing. Or something.
Like I said, I don’t know. I’m just throwing out ideas.
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September 1, 2009 at 5:17 am #11194"Onasaki":fsnryuow wrote:i understand what’s being saying, but sticking with the usual premise gets boring after 4 years of the same sort of thing. I’d honestly like to see a Mandalorian Empire ruling the galaxy during the imperial era. I’ve always ALWAYS been a fan of what-ifs when it comes to Star Wars. What if Anakin listened to Padme? What if Luke joined Vader? What if Obi-Wan was killed at Mustafar? What if the Emperor was correct with all of his premonitions? What -if- Dooku Succeeded in killing both Anakin and Obi-Wan?
So many questions left unanswered, so many answers left unquestioned. So many threads in the quilt that is storyline. So many choices. It drives one mad to think what could have become of the world if the Mandalorians had wiped out the Republic. If Revan didn’t disobey the council. If Malak had killed Revan. If Bastila had died on Malak’s flagship.
Sure, we can /guess/ that’s all fun and good. We can write Alternate Timelines. We can do all sorts of fun crazy things. But it doesn’t make it -real- unless others follow suit and create a place where said things can be roleplayed accordingly. The key thing to Star Wars is Storytelling, is choice. Is the eternal fight, waged within every man woman and child. I understand how we /can’t/ go off into a tangent. But I know if it was allowed, we could. LOTJ is about crafting your own destiny, creating your own Star Wars story(until KOTR comes out, anyway). I would love to see a change. I would love to see many a thing, that is merely a dream at this point. Code things, Story things, Character things. All sorts of crazy wild things. Clan names could mean something, sure. They could mean different things from what we all seem to understand, but if there were different clan names each Era.
The Mando’a Empire, vs the Scattered Republic. The Lorellian Empire vs the Hapan Republic. I don’t know. Mix it up. Let one side win. Change some clan names. Let the clans forge the future eras, rather then the Immortals following a age-old guide that’s been around since before i started playing. Or something.
Like I said, I don’t know. I’m just throwing out ideas.[/quote:fsnryuow]
I .. wow.
That was beautiful. Did you ever consider becoming a professional speechwriter? (Seriously.)
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September 1, 2009 at 6:12 pm #11198"Skiia":28zn638y wrote:"Onasaki":28zn638y wrote:i understand what’s being saying, but sticking with the usual premise gets boring after 4 years of the same sort of thing. I’d honestly like to see a Mandalorian Empire ruling the galaxy during the imperial era. I’ve always ALWAYS been a fan of what-ifs when it comes to Star Wars. What if Anakin listened to Padme? What if Luke joined Vader? What if Obi-Wan was killed at Mustafar? What if the Emperor was correct with all of his premonitions? What -if- Dooku Succeeded in killing both Anakin and Obi-Wan?
So many questions left unanswered, so many answers left unquestioned. So many threads in the quilt that is storyline. So many choices. It drives one mad to think what could have become of the world if the Mandalorians had wiped out the Republic. If Revan didn’t disobey the council. If Malak had killed Revan. If Bastila had died on Malak’s flagship.
Sure, we can /guess/ that’s all fun and good. We can write Alternate Timelines. We can do all sorts of fun crazy things. But it doesn’t make it -real- unless others follow suit and create a place where said things can be roleplayed accordingly. The key thing to Star Wars is Storytelling, is choice. Is the eternal fight, waged within every man woman and child. I understand how we /can’t/ go off into a tangent. But I know if it was allowed, we could. LOTJ is about crafting your own destiny, creating your own Star Wars story(until KOTR comes out, anyway). I would love to see a change. I would love to see many a thing, that is merely a dream at this point. Code things, Story things, Character things. All sorts of crazy wild things. Clan names could mean something, sure. They could mean different things from what we all seem to understand, but if there were different clan names each Era.
The Mando’a Empire, vs the Scattered Republic. The Lorellian Empire vs the Hapan Republic. I don’t know. Mix it up. Let one side win. Change some clan names. Let the clans forge the future eras, rather then the Immortals following a age-old guide that’s been around since before i started playing. Or something.
Like I said, I don’t know. I’m just throwing out ideas.[/quote:28zn638y]
I .. wow.
That was beautiful. Did you ever consider becoming a professional speechwriter? (Seriously.)[/quote:28zn638y]
…"beautiful" or not, it was technically trash. (Technically as in "by technique.")That all being said, I’ve been playing here for quite a while now (the number of people who have played longer keeps getting smaller and smaller)… and I’ve only seen the "EU" TL run ONCE–and that was the Khaeros/Bhuvan TL (which was pretty accurate up until the whole Chiss thing). Moreover, the TL we’re approaching is a radically-AU starting point.
Also, while you implied that events (EoE/EoT, not mid-era events) should be player-driven… and I’d agree in theory; it’s remarkably annoying when players would’ve ended an era (e.g. the Emperor/etc dying off) but the immortals aren’t ready… the immortals are exactly that: not ready. Era and timeline switches are the immortals’ prime time to put changes into the game.
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September 1, 2009 at 8:14 pm #11200
What he said had the possibility to happen (Era 1 was a showdown between the Sith Empire, Mandalorian Empire, and the Republic. It just so happened the Sith won and we went onto an Imperial era that is more recognizable to the Star Wars theme of Galactic Empire.) The possibility of the Republic winning, or the Mandalorian Empire winning, as far as I understood at the time, was prepared for.
Era 2, the Empire pretty much beat down the RA and instead of the usual "hey the NR wins and becomes dominant", we had the Empire split itself up(By player choice, if I recall) and thus set the stage for era 3.
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September 1, 2009 at 9:50 pm #11201"Gathorn":2d2s0mos wrote:What he said had the possibility to happen (Era 1 was a showdown between the Sith Empire, Mandalorian Empire, and the Republic. It just so happened the Sith won and we went onto an Imperial era that is more recognizable to the Star Wars theme of Galactic Empire.) The possibility of the Republic winning, or the Mandalorian Empire winning, as far as I understood at the time, was prepared for.
Era 2, the Empire pretty much beat down the RA and instead of the usual "hey the NR wins and becomes dominant", we had the Empire split itself up(By player choice, if I recall) and thus set the stage for era 3.[/quote:2d2s0mos]
From the players’ standpoint, it was made damn clear that if the Mandalorians got their shit together and won, there would be a Mandalorian Empire; ditto for the Sith (Republic winning = EU "treacherous" start to the Empire).
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September 1, 2009 at 10:20 pm #11203"Onasaki":3o634sby wrote:i understand what’s being saying, but sticking with the usual premise gets boring after 4 years of the same sort of thing. I’d honestly like to see a Mandalorian Empire ruling the galaxy during the imperial era. I’ve always ALWAYS been a fan of what-ifs when it comes to Star Wars. What if Anakin listened to Padme? What if Luke joined Vader? What if Obi-Wan was killed at Mustafar? What if the Emperor was correct with all of his premonitions? What -if- Dooku Succeeded in killing both Anakin and Obi-Wan?
[/quote:3o634sby]It is worth noting that, whilst fanboys and oldbies want their minds to wander into infinite different storyline possibilities, one of this mud’s best selling points to new players, despite code, is the fact that it DOES progress from old republic->rebellion->new republic. to a good 90% of the casual star wars fanbase ‘EMPIRE VS REBELS’ IS the star wars conflict. Hell, even to me that is what the ‘core’ of Star Wars is. the best bit. The juicy fillet mignon at the centre of the plate surrounded by the limp, tasteless vegetables of the Expanded Universe.
Our largest player counts are always during rebellion vs Empire. The most immersive parts of the story are usually centered around that. I would go so far as to say the majority of our newbies that stick around are those that join during that period, since the vast majority of other SWR muds focus on vague, static new republic settings that most don’t have a clue about.
A timeline without ‘The Rebel Alliance’ would be pretty dull, imho.
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September 1, 2009 at 10:45 pm #11205"Ralen":2uu8nbb8 wrote:"Onasaki":2uu8nbb8 wrote:i understand what’s being saying, but sticking with the usual premise gets boring after 4 years of the same sort of thing. I’d honestly like to see a Mandalorian Empire ruling the galaxy during the imperial era. I’ve always ALWAYS been a fan of what-ifs when it comes to Star Wars. What if Anakin listened to Padme? What if Luke joined Vader? What if Obi-Wan was killed at Mustafar? What if the Emperor was correct with all of his premonitions? What -if- Dooku Succeeded in killing both Anakin and Obi-Wan?
[/quote:2uu8nbb8]It is worth noting that, whilst fanboys and oldbies want their minds to wander into infinite different storyline possibilities, one of this mud’s best selling points to new players, despite code, is the fact that it DOES progress from old republic->rebellion->new republic. to a good 90% of the casual star wars fanbase ‘EMPIRE VS REBELS’ IS the star wars conflict. Hell, even to me that is what the ‘core’ of Star Wars is. the best bit. The juicy fillet mignon at the centre of the plate surrounded by the limp, tasteless vegetables of the Expanded Universe.
Our largest player counts are always during rebellion vs Empire. The most immersive parts of the story are usually centered around that. I would go so far as to say the majority of our newbies that stick around are those that join during that period, since the vast majority of other SWR muds focus on vague, static new republic settings that most don’t have a clue about.
A timeline without ‘The Rebel Alliance’ would be pretty dull, imho.[/quote:2uu8nbb8]
If you want to go by player counts, there should be a constant "Chiss EoT" event going on. Nothing else had constant evening active player counts of 100 and over.
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September 13, 2009 at 12:55 pm #5086
If a clan is wiped out the surviving members (if smart but I dunno most will be QQing the Imms) should make a different organization that goes on with the old organization. The begining of Era 4 was a good example. The Imperial Remnants tried to rebuild the Empire (failed but I think it had more to do with the players than the imms) And they got wiped out. They eventually joined major clans etc. The Old Republic -> Empire -> Rebel alliance -> New Republic is a good base but like in this era instead of a human run Empire why not a reverse idea where an Alien Empire (Argadzans or Arkanians) exist that wants to do a whole genocidal rampage on the different human races? It solves the problem of repeition but still keeps that similar cycle just different races or names. It keeps something old and at the same time keeping something new and that gives the more traditionalists the room to say I want a Rebel Alliance against the Gallatic Argadzan or Arkanian Empire. I am just using the next tl story plot as was given to us as an example. Not that something like this would happen but I feel it would make a lot of players happy. I am not saying change the cycle but introduce a different element like in this example an Alien Empire. Even in cannon the Empire is replaced by "Alien Empires" Yuzhan Vong, the failed attempt of the Yevethans, and the list goes on. But the cycle keeps going just different Empires.
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