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March 9, 2010 at 8:19 pm #13478"Avanga":4y35398c wrote:Why are people so upset with the status quo?[/quote:4y35398c]
You are asking this on a mud where half the pbase likes to "stick it to the man?"
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March 9, 2010 at 8:21 pm #13479"Avanga":17uzeb0g wrote:Kora… Why? Making these weapons useless without mastery is redundant. People without mastery do not win fights (unless they’re beating up engineers or really awful players, in which case they could just as easily do it with a datapad).[/quote:17uzeb0g]
Fair enough. But a level 15 combat Balosar really SHOULDN’T stand a chance against a level 150 Wookiee, so I don’t have a problem with that at all… if the former wanted to kill the latter I’d expect them to get creative, not just attack. I know it won’t make much difference in that case… both using a repeater would still push the battle in favor of the Wookiee. But it will make a difference when neither person involved in the fight is a combatant.
People are whining that repeaters are the weapon every soldier uses, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that… however I -don’t- think it makes much sense that they’re the weapon EVERYONE uses. So that’s why.
…That being said, I don’t really care if it’s left as it is. I just don’t like most of the other changes that have been suggested, so I thought I’d suggest my own.
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March 9, 2010 at 10:34 pm #13480"Avanga":1o1jyoi2 wrote:Why are people so upset with the status quo? I guarantee that a good player could easily kill people with any weapon in this game and likewise, good players understand that there’s more to combat than draw repeater, murder, flurry.[/quote:1o1jyoi2]
Its not about the good players being able to do it, its the fact that the bad ones can do it too with repeaters.
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March 9, 2010 at 10:57 pm #13481"xpuma20x":1eedwaah wrote:"Avanga":1eedwaah wrote:Why are people so upset with the status quo? I guarantee that a good player could easily kill people with any weapon in this game and likewise, good players understand that there’s more to combat than draw repeater, murder, flurry.[/quote:1eedwaah]
Its not about the good players being able to do it, its the fact that the bad ones can do it too with repeaters.[/quote:1eedwaah]
Well that’s just not true. All things equal, the bad players will lose. That’s precisely what makes them bad.
Your argument doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. You’re acting like repeaters are magic kill wands.
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March 9, 2010 at 11:33 pm #13482"Avanga":2zdtb276 wrote:Your argument doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. You’re acting like repeaters are magic kill wands.[/quote:2zdtb276]
lol they are though aren’t they? I’m not disagreeing with you at all, I’m just adding extra info to the argument here. The fact remains that I’ve not seen a single person use anything other than repeaters (except BHers who use blades). Engineer? Repeater. Pilot? Repeater. Don’t even have high enough combat to honestly wield a blaster? Repeater. Senator wearing a suit? Sure whip that repeater right out of your holster! There’s really no reason to NOT use a repeater. There’s no drawback.
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March 9, 2010 at 11:38 pm #13483
The drawback is up to the players to enforce, and it always has been.
[quote:2p2hk2js]REPEATERS – Rapid fire weapons have always been the epitome of supressing fire.
While they aren’t as accurate as other blasters they are very good for laying
down a lot of damage all at once. [b:2p2hk2js]For this reason they are mostly restricted to
military use[/b:2p2hk2js], though not all governments disallow their usage.[/quote:2p2hk2js]If you don’t like it, make a Republican and pass a law to keep repeaters out of the hands of dangerous offenders. Welcome to IC.
And if you’re having that much trouble with repeaters, I suggest experimentation. They’re not all that insta-kill, but I’m not about to give out the secret. =p
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March 9, 2010 at 11:47 pm #13484
That would be brilliant if we could get something like that to happen. Ruling clans tend to not care about enforcing "laws" until it meets the agenda they have going on at that specific moment. Most of the time, the clan itself is the one breaking most of their own laws it seems.
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March 9, 2010 at 11:48 pm #13485"Avanga":3sc4bvwn wrote:They’re not all that insta-kill, but I’m not about to give out the secret. =p[/quote:3sc4bvwn]
I don’t have any issues with dealing with repeaters, just the goofiness of having everyone carry them. However, I did find this amusing. This is an unedited (Minus cutting the attackers name), one round fight that happened the other day. 3 shots fired and 1 of them even missed. I laughed pretty hard. Of course this was a combatant versus a pilot, either way, still amusing.
Attacker misses you.
You dodge Attacker’s attack.
You notice the attack coming, and evade it.
Attacker’s blast EVISCERATES you!
That really did HURT!
(A suit of fitted black armor gets damaged)
Attacker’s blast EVISCERATES you!
You are stunned, but will probably recover.You are too stunned to do that.
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March 12, 2010 at 10:41 pm #13506
Ok repeaters should be a whoop ass stick, because that is what they do. I do hate to see pistols being virtually useless, Jango fett whoop some ass with pistols. Force pikes have never been able to make a name in Lotj and this is also kinda of sad. Combatants will do what is the best way to kick some ass, but i agree with altrez in saying that we need to have more of a Rock/paper/skkkizor type deal. It will bring more depth to PK, If one player uses a Repeater for the just pounding heavy shots then it should have low ammo capability or are too heavy for most characters to use. A rifle should be used for exactly what it is being used for right now (perfect solution for it). Pistols should be the most accurate (aside from snipe) and be able to hit more per round. Dual or single wield because han solo never dual wielded shit
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March 13, 2010 at 3:27 am #13524
No, we don’t need more rock paper scissors balancing. What we have now is rock paper scissors balancing and all you people do is bitch about how much it sucks. Because if one weapon has a teensy bit more of an edge when you wear this gear and use these skills and the planetary alignment is just like this, someone’s going to find out, and tell people, and eventually everyone will be exploiting the fact it’s impossible to make anything different but equal.
We don’t need more weapons, either. I see people with pistols and rifles and blades and forcepikes. They’re not THE PERFECT OMG UBER weapon but they DO have uses, and Repeaters DO have drawbacks, and making more kinds of weapons isn’t going to fix the ‘weapons balance’ problem everyone seems to have, it’s just going to make it worse.
You’ll get more variation out of combat by using your brains and creativity than you will by demanding more classes of weapon be coded in.
Most of the bigOMG changes to the way combat, ground and space, is conducted these days came about first through thinking and tactics and experimentation, and then in a couple cases coded changes were made (mostly to nerf these new ideas).
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March 13, 2010 at 4:28 am #13530"Fishy":1ft173um wrote:No, we don’t need more rock paper scissors balancing. What we have now is rock paper scissors balancing and all you people do is bitch about how much it sucks. Because if one weapon has a teensy bit more of an edge when you wear this gear and use these skills and the planetary alignment is just like this, someone’s going to find out, and tell people, and eventually everyone will be exploiting the fact it’s impossible to make anything different but equal.
We don’t need more weapons, either. I see people with pistols and rifles and blades and forcepikes. They’re not THE PERFECT OMG UBER weapon but they DO have uses, and Repeaters DO have drawbacks, and making more kinds of weapons isn’t going to fix the ‘weapons balance’ problem everyone seems to have, it’s just going to make it worse.
You’ll get more variation out of combat by using your brains and creativity than you will by demanding more classes of weapon be coded in.
Most of the bigOMG changes to the way combat, ground and space, is conducted these days came about first through thinking and tactics and experimentation, and then in a couple cases coded changes were made (mostly to nerf these new ideas).[/quote:1ft173um]
QFT.
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March 13, 2010 at 6:06 am #13536
its not fair that my repeater sucks vs a lightsaber
i got it!
rock paper scissors idea
Lightsaber beats repeater, repeater beats vibroblades, vibroblades beat forcepike, forcepike beats bowcaster, and bowcaster beats lightsaber!
im serious.but really –> its fine the way it is.
Hunters use blades and are better at close range combat/ambush
Combat uses repeater and is better at long range combat
Espionage uses forcepike for blackjack/snipeOther then that, bowcaster seems pretty worthless but some argue that its just as good/better for blackjack.
Almost anyone can use an explosive (which in my opinion, is the real trump card since it allows non-combat/bh mains a real chance vs a combat/bh main)
Its a surprise that this thread got so much attention, are there really that many PKers here? So far 9/10 fights I’ve seen are people getting gangbanged 5 to 1. I have seen very few 1v1 fights.
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March 13, 2010 at 8:31 am #13541
Those 5v1 gang fights are the kinds you use explosives for. It doesn’t matter what level hutner you are or how good you are with a lightsaber. use explosives.
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March 13, 2010 at 8:33 am #13542
It’s not a matter of turning down what repeaters do, it is a matter of turning up what you can do with rifles and pistols
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March 13, 2010 at 11:28 pm #13555
Agreed, though how much experimentation has really been DONE with the other weapons in combat situations? A lot of time, people just bandwagon what the PK leaders do without trying things for themselves.
Frankly, I’m tempted to give one of my guys dual pistols just for the coolness factor. And I’ll loooooool when I win!
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