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October 9, 2010 at 1:38 pm #11030"xpuma20x":xfilmv6c wrote:you can see the clan numbers drop the instant you do it.[/quote:xfilmv6c]
Clan numbers are ooc, except when using the logs, and only certain people can access those.
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October 9, 2010 at 2:33 pm #11031
No they are definitely IC. Otherwise it would be a hidden stat. Just like on shown hidden clans where it says 1+
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October 12, 2010 at 3:36 am #10801
Using such things to justify perming someone is a very very loose justification. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen "I scanned him, checked enemy numbers, saw it drop by one. Ergo, must be enemy and resigned. PERM." While the information gleaned from "clans," including membership numbers, is IC information, using it to justify perming someone is plain idiotic and tells me that the permer couldn’t find any actual concrete reason to perm someone.
In any case, I still disagree with putting in an echo that tells everyone in the room when someone resigns. Forcing people to not "chicken out" of their clan won’t fix things. They’ll just find other ways to do it.
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October 12, 2010 at 3:48 am #10802
Like preemptively resigning from their clans every time they leave their charted system.
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October 12, 2010 at 3:50 am #10803"Kirash":2z9fepqn wrote:Using such things to justify perming someone is a very very loose justification. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen "I scanned him, checked enemy numbers, saw it drop by one. Ergo, must be enemy and resigned. PERM." While the information gleaned from "clans," including membership numbers, is IC information, using it to justify perming someone is plain idiotic and tells me that the permer couldn’t find any actual concrete reason to perm someone.
In any case, I still disagree with putting in an echo that tells everyone in the room when someone resigns. Forcing people to not "chicken out" of their clan won’t fix things. They’ll just find other ways to do it.[/quote:2z9fepqn]
I couldn’t disagree more with pretty much this whole post. The only thing I agree with is that if thats the only reason you have to perm them, then thats kind of lame, but at the same time it brings up the argument of if you need to kill everyone in the opposing clan during a war.
But saying "they’ll just find another way to do it" isn’t justification for not fixing something thats hella broken in the first place. Something needs to be adjusted so that people can’t keep abusing the system, ignoring it won’t fix it.
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October 12, 2010 at 4:47 am #10804
I don’t see how it’s abusing the system (ever watch Cops? It’s not like those guys keep the drugs in their pockets, they ditch them first chance they get!) but frankly, I don’t see how lookup showing clan makes any sense at all. It’s not as if top secret Rebel operative is going to carry a badge that says, "I AM REBEL ALLIANCE". And likewise, it isn’t as if the Rebel Alliance is going to allow people to go on dangerous missions without somehow blocking that information. And what the hell is lookup supposed to be, anyways? Government files on the player? Why would the RA inform the government in question that they’re employing a person, and why would the government LIST that?
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October 12, 2010 at 1:51 pm #10805
So make lookup need a higher level to show hidden clans or whatever.
But the thing with resign is, INDUCT has a room echo. RESIGN should too.
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October 12, 2010 at 5:48 pm #10611"Avanga":1zfxvsup wrote:I don’t see how it’s abusing the system (ever watch Cops? It’s not like those guys keep the drugs in their pockets, they ditch them first chance they get!) but frankly, I don’t see how lookup showing clan makes any sense at all. It’s not as if top secret Rebel operative is going to carry a badge that says, "I AM REBEL ALLIANCE". And likewise, it isn’t as if the Rebel Alliance is going to allow people to go on dangerous missions without somehow blocking that information. And what the hell is lookup supposed to be, anyways? Government files on the player? Why would the RA inform the government in question that they’re employing a person, and why would the government LIST that?[/quote:1zfxvsup]
Thats not the point though. The point is about balance. If you have X then you have Y. Now, if you want to argue that lookup shouldn’t include clan information, then I’m completely for that…but that has nothing to do with the fact that if you induct and get an echo, showclan is considered IC and lookup is both IC and shows the clan…then there needs to be something to counter people who just resign to get out of trouble. Again, this is just a "fix this part" option….and in all honesty, we should fix the whole thing…but I don’t see that happening.
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October 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm #10619
Personally, I think people are making a big deal out of a small thing, but that’s just me. I think it is goofy that induct has a room echo myself.
My only compromise in this would be to, like someone said earlier, limit the places someone can resign (I wholeheartedly support resign at mailboxes/clan halls) so they can’t autoresign once they enter combat with an enemy (or perhaps make it to where resign doesn’t work while in combat and bound. I know it doesn’t work while stunned).
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October 13, 2010 at 3:58 pm #10522
"I will fight and die for our cause! *goes out and about to help the cause*"
-HEY, YOU! Halt while we scan you.
"*Shit shit shit… I spent so many points on this character! Whatever shall I do!? That’s it! I’ll resign, then they won’t know who I am! <!– s:lol: –><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!– s:lol: –> resign imanidiot* Why, certainly, my good chum!"
-*showclan <enemy clan>;lookup buttnugget;showclan <enemy clan>;think This guy just resigned! They had 14 people in their clan, now they have 13!;You’re a member of <insert enemy clan here>! *draw;pwn;bind buttnugget;throw buttnugget in cell and perm them later*You’re gonna die either way, most likely… why break your RP by resigning and pretending to not know what’s going on? Resigning to save your ass is stupid if you’ve pledged yourself to something like that ICly and it seems like that’d be breaking RP. In my opinion, anyway.
"Kirash":238e8ify wrote:My only compromise in this would be to, like someone said earlier, limit the places someone can resign (I wholeheartedly support resign at mailboxes/clan halls) so they can’t autoresign once they enter combat with an enemy (or perhaps make it to where resign doesn’t work while in combat and bound. I know it doesn’t work while stunned).[/quote:238e8ify]I like the idea of only being able to do it in mail rooms. Have it auto-send a message to the leader, number 1 and 2 saying that they’re leaving and maybe have it send them into a buffer so they can say something about why they’re doing it? I dunno.
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October 13, 2010 at 8:26 pm #10527"Kordite":2c2licy8 wrote:…
I like the idea of only being able to do it in mail rooms. Have it auto-send a message to the leader, number 1 and 2 saying that they’re leaving and maybe have it send them into a buffer so they can say something about why they’re doing it? I dunno.[/quote:2c2licy8]
Please. It would be nice if someone had to atleast give a reason for their resignation (even if it is some crappy autopopulated message that no one bothers to edit).
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Something that would fix this would be if encrypt_file allowed you to enter a dummy history and hide your clan affiliation on a lookup. Your real record would be saved, and the dummy history would be what opens up during a background scan. It would also help for disguises, since you could put together a fake background to match your disguise.
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October 14, 2010 at 2:42 am #10530"chuckinator":2o1p67cr wrote:Something that would fix this would be if encrypt_file allowed you to enter a dummy history and hide your clan affiliation on a lookup. Your real record would be saved, and the dummy history would be what opens up during a background scan. It would also help for disguises, since you could put together a fake background to match your disguise.[/quote:2o1p67cr]
One of the big issues is that as long as you have some words in your history/background, you’re set. You could put that you eat babies and killed the last of 20 endangered species….and it doesn’t matter.
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October 14, 2010 at 2:53 am #10531
I actually asked an Immortal (Walldo I believe) whether or not I could write up phony histories for running around in disguises. He said no. I don’t think that allowing encrypt_file to write up dummy histories would be allowed either.
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October 14, 2010 at 7:09 am #10536
Pretty sure that a fake history wouldn’t help much for disguises unless you were disguised as your own race.
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October 24, 2010 at 11:39 pm #15283
I have an idea that will probably be very unpopular, but I think it makes sense.
Almost everything done on your datapad, from lookup to hack to protect_account to encrypt_file to roster to… you get the picture… should be divided into two categories. "Instant" and "timed". ALL instant actions give out a room echo "So-and-so uses his/her datapad." and all timed ones show "So-and-so begins to do something on his/her datapad.", sets their actiondesc to "is doing something on his/her datapad." and echoes "So-and-so finishes working on his/her datapad." when you’re done. This should include resign. This shouldn’t include showplanet or showclan just because that would end up being unbearably spammy.
As it is, they give messages like "So-and-so is frantically working on his/her datapad." To a newbie that looks like "Oh, okay, they’re doing something on their datapad, but I can’t see what. That makes sense, I can’t see the screen." To anybody who’s played here long enough, that looks like somebody hacking a turbolift.
It makes sense that you should be able to see whenever somebody does something on their datapad, but not know what it is. If they do it at a suspicious time or in a suspicious place, then that should be enough to cause SUSPICION, not certainty. If somebody’s working on their datapad in a turbolift/in a bank/as soon as you catch them… then maybe they’re up to no good. Or maybe they’re just organizing their datadisks.
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