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August 15, 2010 at 10:49 pm #1524
Induct has a room echo, why doesn’t resign?
Everyone always thinks they’re so clever when they quickly resign from their clan when they’re caught, but all its really doing is making you look silly since you can see the clan numbers drop the instant you do it.
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August 16, 2010 at 3:52 am #15006
I don’t think you can perm someone based on the clan numbers though. What if someone were to go inactive at just that point? =p
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August 16, 2010 at 5:25 am #15007
Yes please.
This won’t hurt anyone who’s using it legitimately, only those who are abusing it. And it’s still possible to quietly resign on your ship as you’re landing, or when you sense a Sith on the ground, or whatever. Let’s you be sneaky still, but stops it being quite as bad as it currently is. The way it is now borders on code abuse, in my opinion. And by ‘borders on’ I mean ‘is totally’. Anyway, unless you’re resigning telepathically, you shouldn’t be able to do it silently, so this makes sense IC as well as OOC.
Resign echo YES PLEASE.
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August 16, 2010 at 5:27 am #15008
I hope you don’t mind, I put a poll in your post. I like this idea and want to see some feedback.
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August 16, 2010 at 7:22 am #15011
In the Star Wars universe there’s no way any random person with basic computer training could just scan someone and instantly know both their identity and who they work for. That kind of totalitarian photo-recognition and record-keeping just wasn’t used commonly. Even one of the more transparent governments like the Republic wouldn’t make these records public information for every one of their operatives.
I’d like to see lookup changed dramatically. Make it so it works on any player name, from any location. Instead of showing clan affiliation and all the other garbage like ‘male human senior’ and ‘RP rating’, it should just give the character’s history. Ideally there’d also be a separate section for criminal records or clan notes, as people have suggested in other threads. Give governments the chance to tag their known enemies’ files, but don’t do it for them.
This would be disadvantageous to someone who’s already known as an enemy, because they couldn’t slip by using a fake name. Fake names don’t usually have public records attached to them. But then, there could be a slicer skill to construct fake history files under false names.
Another idea I have for this is to keep a ‘scanning’ skill like the current lookup, but make clans photograph the subjects with an espionage skill first. Benign governments like the Republic would probably reserve this for mugshots of prisoners, while the Empire would be more aggressive in collecting citizens’ names and photographs.
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August 16, 2010 at 3:08 pm #15015
I agree Adriav, I think overall the whole lookup process needs to be overhauled in general. I’m not sure if I agree with everything you posted about how it should change, though I’ll have to ponder on it a bit before giving a full opinion.
As far as resigning having an echo. Of course its not realistic, neither is induction having an echo…Neither is a Sith Lord striking down someone just for the hell of it and then that person rising from the dead a few days later because a mysterious group of people voted on it. Neither is 1 cap ship blockading a whole planet and being able to catch every tiny starship that leaves it. The point is that there’s realistic, there’s in game realistic and there’s also checks and balances.
Currently, there’s no check to people abusing resignation to get out of being caught. Again sure, realistically their file wouldn’t just say "THIS PERSON IS REBEL SCUM SHOOT EM!" but at the same time, the Stormtroopers and Sith wouldn’t just stand around politely scanning everyone. They’d plug em full of holes and then sort out who was who through the dead bodies and if innocents died, who cares? What are they going to do, complain?
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August 17, 2010 at 6:13 am #15022
Resign doesn’t need to be changed. Lookup does. That is the fundamental thing around which this whole no-resign-room-echo rant revolves. The only reason people ninjaresign in the first place is because they know any douchebag with a datapad and 25 slicer levels (99% of the mud) will be able to see who they work for. [sarcasm]I didn’t realize that corporate, governmental, and/or private payroll lists were public knowledge.[/sarcasm] They sure as hell aren’t outside of the mud.
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August 17, 2010 at 8:00 am #15024
Aside from everything that should be changed and reworked. I agree to how lookup sucks currently. As it stands resigning from a clan in front of your captors and laughing as they look you up is meta gaming. Being sneaky and doing it while they board you is not.
Also I think if it stays how it is but an echo is added. Resign should also echo to the clan you are resigning from. Something along the lines of the pad alarm.
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August 17, 2010 at 5:11 pm #15025"Kirash":3jwr8ipa wrote:Resign doesn’t need to be changed. Lookup does. That is the fundamental thing around which this whole no-resign-room-echo rant revolves. The only reason people ninjaresign in the first place is because they know any douchebag with a datapad and 25 slicer levels (99% of the mud) will be able to see who they work for. [sarcasm]I didn’t realize that corporate, governmental, and/or private payroll lists were public knowledge.[/sarcasm] They sure as hell aren’t outside of the mud.[/quote:3jwr8ipa]
Actually, pretty much everything is public knowledge these days, you just have to know how to find it. As far as the other goes, its not about it being realistic or not. We’ve already discussed the realism portion of it. You want real? The Imperial would just shoot you in the face and check later if you were on the wrong side or not because there’s no backlash to it. This is about balancing something out. If that balancing out is based on reworking the way lookup works? Then so be it. But currently there’s nothing to stop people from abusing the way it is currently set up.
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August 17, 2010 at 8:09 pm #15026"xpuma20x":ovoz4fdk wrote:"Kirash":ovoz4fdk wrote:Resign doesn’t need to be changed. Lookup does. That is the fundamental thing around which this whole no-resign-room-echo rant revolves. The only reason people ninjaresign in the first place is because they know any douchebag with a datapad and 25 slicer levels (99% of the mud) will be able to see who they work for. [sarcasm]I didn’t realize that corporate, governmental, and/or private payroll lists were public knowledge.[/sarcasm] They sure as hell aren’t outside of the mud.[/quote:ovoz4fdk]
Actually, pretty much everything is public knowledge these days, you just have to know how to find it. As far as the other goes, its not about it being realistic or not. We’ve already discussed the realism portion of it. You want real? The Imperial would just shoot you in the face and check later if you were on the wrong side or not because there’s no backlash to it. This is about balancing something out. If that balancing out is based on reworking the way lookup works? Then so be it. But currently there’s nothing to stop people from abusing the way it is currently set up.[/quote:ovoz4fdk]
Yes, but 99% of the population wouldn’t know where to find such information at all or without having to pay for it. 99% of the MUD population has 25 slicer levels and can just see whatever they want if they so choose. For me, the whole resign room echo thing doesn’t really concern me since I usually don’t find myself in a situation compelling enough to autoresign, but I think if you want to see someone’s affiliation in their history file through lookup, you should have a bit more knowledge than just your basic 25 levels of slicer.
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August 17, 2010 at 8:36 pm #15027
I totally agree with the lookup part. The skill should both be reworked and raised in levels
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August 31, 2010 at 12:59 pm #15098
Making resigning possible only in certain rooms (mail terminals?) might be an easy solution codewise.
I’m agreeing on the ability to look people up remotely mostly because writing a history is mandatory nowdays and I think they just don’t get read enough (not by the players atleast). Making lookup a higher level skill would make the slicer more essential for the group and a more enjoyable class to play.
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August 31, 2010 at 3:37 pm #15099"Raato":1g3dkdbo wrote:Making resigning possible only in certain rooms (mail terminals?)[/quote:1g3dkdbo]
Yes.
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September 1, 2010 at 4:35 am #15103"Raato":3w52jqjp wrote:Making resigning possible only in certain rooms (mail terminals?) might be an easy solution codewise.
I’m agreeing on the ability to look people up remotely mostly because writing a history is mandatory nowdays and I think they just don’t get read enough (not by the players atleast). Making lookup a higher level skill would make the slicer more essential for the group and a more enjoyable class to play.[/quote:3w52jqjp]
Remote Lookup is probably one of the topics that is debated at least once every timeline. No, I don’t agree with remote lookup. I have my reasons. However, I do agree that lookup should be a little higher in the slicer tree. Maybe swap it with hack since hack is next to useless imo. [off topic]Personally, I think they should consolodate the "hack" skills (hack, networkhack, fakesignal, matchvector, lifthack, etc.) into one skill and grant you new "hacking" abilities in the higher levels, but that’s just me.[/off topic] But no. No remote lookups please.
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September 1, 2010 at 6:02 pm #15108"Raato":455iyq65 wrote:Making resigning possible only in certain rooms (mail terminals?) might be an easy solution codewise.
I’m agreeing on the ability to look people up remotely mostly because writing a history is mandatory nowdays and I think they just don’t get read enough (not by the players atleast). Making lookup a higher level skill would make the slicer more essential for the group and a more enjoyable class to play.[/quote:455iyq65]
YES! Awesome idea.
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