Point Refunds for Early Deaths

You spend points, and die -regardless of the circumstances.

I don’t want to be a bitch about points. I don’t think any of you want to lose thousands of points because you screwed up and caused your own death. It’s mean, it’s unnecessary, and the the mud will survive if we refund people for their early deaths.

Your thoughts?

I like it.

How quickly would you have to die for it to be considered an &quot;early&quot; death? Is it a simple &quot;Die before &lt;X&gt;, get everything back. Die after, lose everything&quot; or more of a gradient-type effect? Would the refund also include points you spent on levels or force? What if we had people rolling a character, buying force, leveling up to 100, getting sensed, and then realizing they didn’t roll force even though they bought it? They then do something &quot;heroic&quot; and die, getting all their points back so that they can later try for force again. Is that an abuse of the system? In general, I like it, but there’s a lot to think about <!– s:) –><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!– s:) –>.

I think it’s a great idea.

Maybe give it a 1 or 2 week timer or when they reach lvl 100 or 150 in a class?

I would think once your no longer a newbie you forfeit your ability to be refunded. That would stop the force roll abuse..

But what if you buy force, avatar and die before you can be awoken? Well perhaps in that case if you die within a time limit of reaching lvl 100+, should you be get a second chance at being awaken?

Should bought levels or force be refunded, or just race costs?

And if they are, then one would assume you bought enough levels to avatar, so by what set of rules should they be offered a refund?

I would say once you’re sensed, not awoken. Sometimes people have reasons for not awakening someone.

I’d like to use Renard as an example, though. I’m pretty sure I was sensed long before anyone bothered to DO anything about it, and there were months again between that and when I was trained. That’s a bit of an extreme example, but it happens.

I can tell you that for the while I had a forcer this Tl that I sensed a huge amount of people and they werent awakened mainly due to their race. So yes, people get found all the time and left to not be trained or to be trained later by the other side.

why not have it be an actual time limit outside of a clan, and once clanned, you forfeit the refund of your character. If player x plays for 14 days in a clan, and dies after 14 days, no refund is given. If he is unclanned for 21 days, and dies after 21 days, no points are given.

In my opinion, if we have a case where someone bought force, and they get sensed, and awoken just because of their aimclique, well, that would lead to being a disaster anyways. also, if someone buys force, they know the chances of getting a high roll are slim, and they should have done it for the roleplay if anything.

If the force is such a problem, cut off the refund ability for people who bought force at level 100, so they can’t be sensed, and leave everyone Else’s refund as per usual. I don’t think many out there are actually buying force anyways, I know i could have saved points by now and had it, i just kinda shrugged it off and told myself i would rather roll it.

It is an iffy issue. We need a combination of levels and time played. But we have to watch out for people rolling force this way.

TBH this can be fixed by our pr.

Troll can watch and see wtf. Flek has created 7 dudes in the last 5 days. Why does he keep rolling espa mains? Mortchat flek. Flek gives stupid reason. Troll then knows whats going on and can react accordingly.

As far as I am aware this is how pr currently handles it.

Do we have a problem now with people rolling and leveling to 100 for force?

Making the refund go away when you hit level 100 is an awful idea. That means the people who didn’t get to play the character they were really excited about playing [i:2puc1cbm]at all[/i:2puc1cbm] because they wanted to get leveling out of the way will be the ones who get screwed over.

I don’t have any problem with people rolling multiple characters and leveling to 100 in the hopes of force as long as they’re trying to find out whether or not they rolled it legitimately rather than IMing ForcerBuddy and asking to be sensed. (No, I’m not naive enough to think that’s how it generally happens.)

As for a refund on buying force, we could have a tiered system to try and make as many people as possible happy. 20,000 points back if you die without being sensed. 10,000 if you die without being awakened. 5,000 if you die within two weeks of being awakened (the mandatory &quot;apprentice&quot; phase). Nothing if you die after being knighted. Thoughts?

[b:2puc1cbm]Edit:[/b:2puc1cbm] Actually, having it be 5,000 if you die before being knighted regardless of how long that takes wouldn’t necessarily be a bad idea. At least… it’s 5am and in my tired state I don’t think it would be a bad idea. That would allow people who spent 20,000 points and got a really crappy force roll to get a little &quot;sorry you blew 20K on 30 levels&quot; compensation present no matter what.