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October 29, 2010 at 6:29 pm #1567"Oteri":3n3vgz26 wrote:"Anna":3n3vgz26 wrote:"Oteri":3n3vgz26 wrote:I don’t like the racial "app only" restrictions, with a few exceptions. Timeline specific races makes sense, like Mandalorians/Dathomiri and a few others, but for the most part, rare races should either cost more or simply be put to a higher standard of RP requirements. For whatever reason, we are forced to ‘help race_contract’ when we pick a race. Why don’t we use those contracts?[/quote:3n3vgz26]
What about when we’ve got people who hoard their points and play delicate races, like the Mandos and the Dathomiri, and then become all powerful forcers or super-combatants (or both) that can’t be stopped? What do we do when these players have purchased the race fair and square and then PK half the mud? Keep in mind, that legal PKs are not going to get you punished, no matter how many you have under your belt.[/quote:3n3vgz26]
I think that’s all very relative and situational. We do have PK rules in place to stop players from perm’ing half the mud, and I would like to quote help rules1:
"Rules1":3n3vgz26 wrote:Remember the golden rule of LotJ: Anything players can do, we can undo.
[/quote:3n3vgz26]And in all honesty, Anna, I’m not sure what PK’s have anything to do with the topic. There are races that aren’t hardcore PK’ers, such as Neimoidians that are app only. I will, however, concede that most app only races are heavy pk ones, such as echani, kaleesh, feeorin, etc. But there are rules in place to stop them from perm’ing on a spree. There’s also the racial contracts. We can definately highlight that these higher-cost races are for specific role play niches, not to decimate our player-base.[/quote:3n3vgz26]
I agree with you. I think era appropriate races should be open for all. They should be more expensive to discourage us from having 45 Echanis or Mandos (some of which will have rolled force), but they should be obtainable. We can always approve applications at will.
This would mean that we have to seriously enforce the RP contract that we’ve been lax about. On one hand, we feel bad for a player that has saved up to play that Echani, and they believe in their heart of hearts that they’re doing a kick-ass job of RPing their character. On the other hand, if everyone else thinks they suck.
I think it would be fair to let this sort of thing be determined by the RPC. Let players report bad RPers to the RPC. Let the RPC review the claim and determine if this is something that should be escalated to the Immortals or just dropped. Ultimately, the RPC is supposed to set the tone for RP on the mud.
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October 29, 2010 at 6:39 pm #15453
I don’t like the idea of the RPC judging who is a good RPer and who is not. Good vs. Bad RP is completely subjective as people have completely different styles of RP yet all might be equally good. Just because you don’t write page-long emotes doesn’t mean you don’t play a deep, unique character.
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October 29, 2010 at 6:40 pm #15454
1. I’m a big fan of handing out points for great RP jobs. I’m a big fan of getting those points -removed- for bad RP.
2. Isn’t there a rule somewhere about era characters and not hoarding them? I’m not entirely positive, but I’m pretty sure it’s somewhere.
3. The RPC -is- a role-play council. Other than helping newbies and determining restores, I think they can handle role play cases as well.
4. Require character sheets for these characters.
5. We could, perhaps, have some sort of approval system for these races as well. For instance, I’ve been on some muds where descs/names/histories have had to be authorized by immortals. Can we make it so either PR imms or RPC can approve/disapprove histories and character sheets? This way, we know they have a plan for the RP without being TOO restrictive. Perhaps if it’s questionable, an RPC can open it to a vote?
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October 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm #15459
Everyone wants the cool races and if they’re available, a lot of people are going to roll them. It doesn’t look good to the educated newbie when they arrive and see that every second player is a Miraluka, and mass-rolled RPI races tend to get a stigma attached to them when it happens.
I have an alternative suggestion. Aside from unlocking these races during era events, why not offer them as reward to people we see putting effort into their RP? Make it add some sort of token to their account to purchase an RPI race. Of course, all the rules still apply – if they fuck up, the imms reserve the right to remove the char.
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October 29, 2010 at 6:54 pm #15461"Oteri":3shamcyk wrote:4. Require character sheets for these characters.
5. We could, perhaps, have some sort of approval system for these races as well. For instance, I’ve been on some muds where descs/names/histories have had to be authorized by immortals. Can we make it so either PR imms or RPC can approve/disapprove histories and character sheets? This way, we know they have a plan for the RP without being TOO restrictive. Perhaps if it’s questionable, an RPC can open it to a vote?[/quote:3shamcyk]
Ooooh, I like that. I don’t want a system that makes players wait for IMM approval, but I like the idea of a notice flashing upon character selection that informs them that the race that they are selecting will require a character sheet, and that their character must fall into typical RP for the race that they’re selecting. -And that they may be approached and asked to refine their RP as a means to ensure that racial RP enhances the global storyline rather than detracts from it.
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October 29, 2010 at 6:59 pm #15462"Anna":54z522eo wrote:"Oteri":54z522eo wrote:4. Require character sheets for these characters.
5. We could, perhaps, have some sort of approval system for these races as well. For instance, I’ve been on some muds where descs/names/histories have had to be authorized by immortals. Can we make it so either PR imms or RPC can approve/disapprove histories and character sheets? This way, we know they have a plan for the RP without being TOO restrictive. Perhaps if it’s questionable, an RPC can open it to a vote?[/quote:54z522eo]
Ooooh, I like that. I don’t want a system that makes players wait for IMM approval, but I like the idea of a notice flashing upon character selection that informs them that the race that they are selecting will require a character sheet, and that their character must fall into typical RP for the race that they’re selecting. -And that they may be approached and asked to refine their RP as a means to ensure that racial RP enhances the global storyline rather than detracts from it.[/quote:54z522eo]
Bitchin’. I can see apps for going OUTSIDE racial norms, but conforming to racial norms should be mandatory.
"Avanga":54z522eo wrote:Everyone wants the cool races and if they’re available, a lot of people are going to roll them. It doesn’t look good to the educated newbie when they arrive and see that every second player is a Miraluka, and mass-rolled RPI races tend to get a stigma attached to them when it happens.I have an alternative suggestion. Aside from unlocking these races during era events, why not offer them as reward to people we see putting effort into their RP? Make it add some sort of token to their account to purchase an RPI race. Of course, all the rules still apply – if they fuck up, the imms reserve the right to remove the char.
[/quote:54z522eo]This is why they’d cost a higher amount of points. Not everyone has the fortitude to save up 10k+ points.
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October 29, 2010 at 7:03 pm #15464
I agree. I’m going to leave the topic open for a little longer, but I can’t see the drawback to letting players play era-appropriate characters that they pay for.
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October 30, 2010 at 1:21 am #15506
Some of the races I don’t really understand being era specific. Perhaps I’m just not privy of the whys….Bith? They were around from at least Old Republic to Imperial at least. Neimodians? They were around at least Clone Wars to Yuuzhan Vong that I know of. Feeorin? Cathar? Its not like these races were wiped out or anything.
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October 30, 2010 at 1:54 am #15507"xpuma20x":1l68c12c wrote:Some of the races I don’t really understand being era specific. Perhaps I’m just not privy of the whys….Bith? They were around from at least Old Republic to Imperial at least. Neimodians? .[/quote:1l68c12c]
Those aren’t era specific, it was found that there were too many twinkish class combos so they were restricted until they could be rebalanced.
I think half the issue is that there is too much terminology. Closed race? App only? Era only? Points only? The terminology needs to be simplified
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October 30, 2010 at 8:54 am #15537"Walldo":92ruzyqp wrote:"xpuma20x":92ruzyqp wrote:Some of the races I don’t really understand being era specific. Perhaps I’m just not privy of the whys….Bith? They were around from at least Old Republic to Imperial at least. Neimodians? .[/quote:92ruzyqp]
Those aren’t era specific, it was found that there were too many twinkish class combos so they were restricted until they could be rebalanced.
I think half the issue is that there is too much terminology. Closed race? App only? Era only? Points only? The terminology needs to be simplified[/quote:92ruzyqp]
I would personally like to know is this what happened with Draethos. they weren’t really too unbalanced if you ask me. they were good at lots of stuff, yes, but they were nowhere near as bad as some races.
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October 30, 2010 at 10:25 am #15546
I am kinda on the fence about this. I would like to see more incentive for people to apply for certain races rather than farm points for them.
However, I will concede the fact that we do need more variety in what people can and cannot roll.
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October 30, 2010 at 5:15 pm #15558"Walldo":8upcj8eo wrote:"xpuma20x":8upcj8eo wrote:Some of the races I don’t really understand being era specific. Perhaps I’m just not privy of the whys….Bith? They were around from at least Old Republic to Imperial at least. Neimodians? .[/quote:8upcj8eo]
Those aren’t era specific, it was found that there were too many twinkish class combos so they were restricted until they could be rebalanced.
I think half the issue is that there is too much terminology. Closed race? App only? Era only? Points only? The terminology needs to be simplified[/quote:8upcj8eo]
That helps a lot of it. Maybe instead of it just being a red * next to the name in the list, we could change the color depending on the issue. I’ve often looked at a race, thinking to myself that I’d like to play it…but then went "Oh crap its era restricted, well there goes that idea."….but if it were just app only? I dunno
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October 30, 2010 at 6:12 pm #15561"Walldo":m9y0hqrl wrote:"xpuma20x":m9y0hqrl wrote:Some of the races I don’t really understand being era specific. Perhaps I’m just not privy of the whys….Bith? They were around from at least Old Republic to Imperial at least. Neimodians? .[/quote:m9y0hqrl]
Those aren’t era specific, it was found that there were too many twinkish class combos so they were restricted until they could be rebalanced.[/quote:m9y0hqrl]
Balosar are pretty twinky too, how come they haven’t been locked for rebalancing?
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October 30, 2010 at 6:42 pm #15565
I never understood how Bith were ‘twinkish’. Neimoidians I can understand, but their levels are supposed to be offset by their cowardly nature and the galaxy’s general opinion of them. And you’ll notice that even though Neimoidians have had stacked levels for TLs, they haven’t been an issue like Zabraks or Dugs.
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October 31, 2010 at 10:02 am #15636
What I would like to see, though it will never happen, is for the races to have their costs dynamically adjusted based on how many are active. Have tiers with blocks of points based on twinkishness like it is now, but have variations within them. Maybe if a race is really hugely overplayed, have it get bumped up a tier. If a race is chronically underplayed, have it drop down a tier. Have a variety of always free races.
Edit: And each race could have its own definition of overplay and underplay. So the bracket for correllian would be wider than the bracket for.. dug.
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