Legends of the Jedi Forums The Brainstormtorium LN and CN alignments

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    • drekmajster Member
      January 13, 2008 at 11:38 am #431

      I was just wondering why there are no lawful neutral and chaotic neutral alignments in LOTJ. Maybe it’s because the whole star wars universe is very black and white, but not having LN and CN still removes two important groups of people imo.

    • k12yptic Member
      January 13, 2008 at 1:28 pm #4236

      I think you answered your own question. The alignments on LOTJ are very different than any alignments I’m used to.

      For instance

      Chaotic Evil: Though not the most evil, chaotic evil is the most dangerous. Characters with this alignment will do evil, and are not afraid of any laws while doing it. They usually have no sense of consequence, or very little.
      A sith lord could be chaotic evil.

      To me, that makes no sense what so ever. One would think a Sith lord would be the embodiment of Evil. Sure, he can hide it at times, but if you asked me who’s the baddest motha in town (Town being sw universe), I’d answer you with sith lords.

      Maybe I’m just analyzing the statement too much. Dunno.

    • drekmajster Member
      January 13, 2008 at 3:53 pm #4240

      I think the sith lords are here as an example of chaotic evil because they would kill you for looking at them the wrong way, not caring for the laws or the people around him as he would kill them too if they tried to stop him, while a neutral evil character would make sure he doesn’t get caught killing you. my point of view that is.

    • Walldo Keymaster
      January 13, 2008 at 5:50 pm #4241

      Alignments suck and should be scrapped for everyone except forcers.

    • Flincher14 Member
      January 13, 2008 at 6:04 pm #4242
      "Walldo":eexu569p wrote:
      Alignments suck and should be scrapped for everyone except forcers.[/quote:eexu569p]

      I agree.

    • k12yptic Member
      January 13, 2008 at 7:17 pm #4244
      "Walldo":aki8sud6 wrote:
      Alignments suck and should be scrapped for everyone except forcers.[/quote:aki8sud6]

      Concur!

    • Hensworth Member
      January 13, 2008 at 10:17 pm #4248
      "Walldo":1iozsz8a wrote:
      Alignments suck and should be scrapped for everyone except forcers.[/quote:1iozsz8a]

      Indeed.

    • Lucan Member
      January 13, 2008 at 10:23 pm #4249
      "Walldo":2rpvxjl4 wrote:
      Alignments suck and should be scrapped for everyone except forcers.[/quote:2rpvxjl4]
      Here here!
    • Siradril Participant
      January 14, 2008 at 7:08 am #4252

      Alignments are the most important thing in frp games, when you make a character one of the first things you need to decide is your character’s alignment, because it’ll be the way how your character looks at things. As for the Chaotic and Lawful Neutral alignments, I recall the answer Perennor told me was similar to your statement. Lotj is based around good and evil, hence the limitation.

    • Flincher14 Member
      January 14, 2008 at 1:08 pm #4256
      "Siradril":duyuf0fo wrote:
      Alignments are the most important thing in frp games, when you make a character one of the first things you need to decide is your character’s alignment, because it’ll be the way how your character looks at things. As for the Chaotic and Lawful Neutral alignments, I recall the answer Perennor told me was similar to your statement. Lotj is based around good and evil, hence the limitation.[/quote:duyuf0fo]

      But in fact there were in between characters that had no alignment, grey jedi, and just regular people who didn’t look at a situation as either good or bad but for what it really was.

    • drekmajster Member
      January 14, 2008 at 3:34 pm #4260

      Those in between people were true neutral as i see it. Something like druids in dnd. I agree with Siradril about them being important because you don’t have to be strictly lawful and evil if you play lawful evil, but it defines your general look on things. Even real people have alignments imho, they are just too complex to determine(but still they could be determined) I also think jedi should be able to detect alignments of anyone, not just forcers(I don’t really know if they can, I’ve never been one).

    • k12yptic Member
      January 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm #4262

      Here’s a question: Can a character choose an alignment totally polar opposite of his clan’s alignment on the whole?

      I imagine there was ‘good’ stormtroopers, who if they weren’t ordered to do so, wouldn’t shoot women and children.

      But then does it make him turn evil, when he’s ordered to do so and does as he’s told?

      Problem I seem to be having is I chose my character’s alignment out of ooc knowledge that his clan is by and by, evil. But he doesn’t really act that way. Probably a mistake on my part, or I should just start being more of an asshole!

    • Siradril Participant
      January 14, 2008 at 9:38 pm #4266
      "k12yptic":2wpm3czu wrote:
      Here’s a question: Can a character choose an alignment totally polar opposite of his clan’s alignment on the whole?

      I imagine there was ‘good’ stormtroopers, who if they weren’t ordered to do so, wouldn’t shoot women and children.

      But then does it make him turn evil, when he’s ordered to do so and does as he’s told?

      Problem I seem to be having is I chose my character’s alignment out of ooc knowledge that his clan is by and by, evil. But he doesn’t really act that way. Probably a mistake on my part, or I should just start being more of an asshole![/quote:2wpm3czu]

      Life itself is an evolution, you may begin with a specific way of looking at things at 10 years old. By the time you’ve become 20 years old, it might have changed drastically. With the thinklogs, you can show the change in your character’s personality etc. And to be honest many people’s characters goes through lots of changes at Lotj.

      I’d say that a Lawful Good stormtrooper has a high possibility of turning into an lawful evil character due to the things he/she had been through. However it’d be a totally different situation if that stormtrooper was Chaotic Good or Neutral Good. He/She might have ended up resigning or something. However if you aren’t ordered to do evil stuff, you might still remain as a good person.

      As for your situation, since you’ve chosen an evil alignment, you might have to do at least some evil deeds. Just like the stormtrooper example, if you keep helping out people you’d become a good person in time.

      The reason alignment is not important on Lotj is, only a few people cares about it. Almost nobody cares to monitor people’s alignments and see if playes rp their character’s alignment unless it’s a forcer.

    • drekmajster Member
      January 15, 2008 at 4:23 pm #4272

      A storm trooper doing evil deeds just because he was ordered to would be a perfect example of a LN character because he doesn’t care whether the deed is good or bad because orders are orders. He could also be any of the evil alignments if he enjoyed what he was doing. A good stormtrooper would probably refuse to follow orders and if he would not be lawful, he could also pretend he killed someone, but actually let them go. A chaotic stormtrooper seems impossible because he should hate following orders. There could of course be other ways, but i think those are the basic ones.

    • Compel Bast Member
      January 22, 2008 at 9:10 pm #4413

      My main argument against CN is rather a simple one.

      If we had Chaotic Neutral, very few, if any, average players in the mud would play as characters that weren’t it.

      Essentially, it would give players an almost "get-out-of-jail-free" card when dealing with perms.

      "Why’d you kill him?" "I felt like it." "ok…" *checks alignment, chaotic neutral* RPC member: darn.

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