Discussion – Leadership

teaching abilities go to people with 150 in their mains… IE, smuggling main hits 150, he can group and train people in smuggling.[/quote:225cpuoj]

Woah! No way would I support that..teaching is already out of hand as it is..no need to make every single player able to teach their field.

Here’s how it makes sense. Within an [b:2dn9q4oy]hour[/b:2dn9q4oy] on one character I had combat, slicer, smuggling, espionage and leadership fully maxed. Even if all 5 were 150, it would have taken about the same time, give or take a few minutes. The fact that the person who did the slicer also did the smuggling and espionage…and the person who did the combat did the leadership…had a WHOLE lot to do with it. Not to mention the actual teaching command itself raising you to 97% in the selected field? Come on…97?[/quote:2dn9q4oy]

Well i’m surprised you can make a character and max it in three skills within an hour, considering it takes a bit of time to write a description and history. Obviously you aren’t as informed as you’d like. You got teaching from a science leader which in itself has its limitations. My main leadership interaction has been with combat subclass’ which seem to be quite useful. Not to mention they have great groundwork for good rp options(Sniper squads anyone?). The point you made about 97 becomes irrelevant when you look at the skills that science subclass is going to be able to teach, they’ll never get anywhere near blaster mastery, let alone flurry or any 100+ confrontational skill. Science skills still level out due to the plethora of skills you’re going to need to research from 97 to 100, those last three %’s usually taking longer than getting to 97%.

Going against the grain, i agree with Avanga on this. Abolish the leadership skill set which is mostly irrelevant except for one command and the feats. Not only would it make there something to do with your character after you’d maxxed your 150 but it would make it take longer for people to actually get the skill levels. What with having to find various teachers and not having one all knowing teach-all person who can powerlevel you in such a short time.
Theres been plenty of discussion on where the skills should and could go if leadership was removed, but i don’t think we really need to reiterate on that.

Well i’m surprised you can make a character and max it in three skills within an hour, considering it takes a bit of time to write a description and history. Obviously you aren’t as informed as you’d like. You got teaching from a science leader which in itself has its limitations. [/quote:2qk2vkqa]

Okay. I don’t especially like leaders. I have one myself and I rarely play it. But I know for a fact that you can level a new character within an hour I’ve done it many times. Ever hear of having desc and history ready for a character before creation? It’s not a great argument. Neither is calling the poster uninformed, that doesn’t help anything. All leadership subclasses have limitations (thank the sw gods). But anyone can level slicer within 5 minutes to 150. Leveling smuggling is not that different. Add a combat main and you are leveled in 4 areas in around an hour. Allowing anyone to level other people in their class would get out of hand. All classes could be leveled within an hour. What would be the point? RP value sure.
AIM CHARACTER: Yo, I made a new character, wanna level me?
AIM SMUGGLER: Sure
AIM COMBAT: I’ll be on in a second
AIM SLICER: I’m on Arkania
and so on and so forth. I don’t think so. It happens enough already.
However, it would be great not having to run packages. It’s not the greatest of systems. I miss datachips, but that’s just my opinion and has nothing to do with this thread

What is your argument exactly? You’ve more or less said exactly the same thing as Kirash(In a weirder round-about way)[/quote:3cqu6pgr]

He did? All I did was admit that I know absolutely jack shit about leader mains aside from the only two I’ve seen thus far.

Obviously you aren’t as informed as you’d like.[/quote:11s0t765]

And [b:11s0t765]obviously[/b:11s0t765] you’ve gone full blown idiot. I’m not exaggerating a single thing, just because you can’t have a background written up before you make a character doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t. And just because you’ve never had a character leveled that fast doesn’t mean others haven’t. Stop pretending you know everything because [b:11s0t765]obviously[/b:11s0t765] you don’t. Not only have I had a character leveled that quickly (again it only took finding two different people for 5 classes…both of which were on Arkania) but I also have leader mains that can do it. I leveled someone’s combat in about 15 mins the other day (to about level 90 iirc), not to mention whatever leadership they gained too…and on another character of mine I leveled someone else’s slicing to 150 in what was more than likely less than 10 minutes. So until [b:11s0t765]YOU[/b:11s0t765] are the one that is more [b:11s0t765]informed[/b:11s0t765], shut your hole about what others can and can not do.

As far as the topic itself. I’m completely fine with the concept of allowing leaders and diplomats to be combined together, but no way should every character be able to teach their field…especially at the same rate that leadership is already at.

Puma, my suggestion only applies to the character’s main class… not every class.

[quote:2bmstmbb]IE, smuggling main hits 150, he can group and train people in [i:2bmstmbb][b:2bmstmbb]smuggling[/b:2bmstmbb][/i:2bmstmbb].[/quote:2bmstmbb][/quote:2bmstmbb]

Yeah I understand that and still don’t agree with it. There’s no reason at all to allow everyone the ability to teach their main. Its just not logical and overloads something that is already extremely easy to get done anyways. Perhaps if the ability to powerlevel people was touched up on (IE not being able to get someone fully leveled in a few minutes) then [i:2bmstmbb]maybe[/i:2bmstmbb] it’d be something to think about..and thats a big maybe

This also does something imms are always looking for these days: It gives characters with 150 in their main a big advantage over characters who have a lower level but a wider spread.[/quote:16g7qr25]

I know I’m going to sound like I’m playing devil’s advocate, but it’s just something that popped in my head when reading this.

That sounds more like encouraging twinking which I am a die hard advocate against. Now don’t get me wrong, I do support people who get 150 to have some type of advantage over the ones who just spread, but giving too much of an advantage will have the side effect of seeing just the same races being played. I can just picture 60 players being online in LotJ with 45 of them being Rodians for an example. Maybe I’m just viewing this from a negative perspective.

I’m not saying I don’t like your idea Avanga. I think it’s interesting.