Clan Flexibility

Within reason, I can see why there would be some situations where immortals need to step in to make sure people aren’t breaking the rules and that people are motivated with appropriate RP reasons; however, there should be a line drawn when the controls diminish gameplay

The roots of LOTJ tie back to star wars, even if it isn’t mirrored. Star Wars is about good versus evil and about the underdog prevailing against all odds. LOTJ differs from Star Wars for many different reasons, but the major one would be that it is an interactive social game that has almost endless possibilities.

With that in mind, I’d like to try to understand the reasoning behind the immortals’ decision to intervene on several recent events:

Planet Capture Freeze
The freeze on capturing planets was unusually timed. It seemed like the Black Sun was having a good run of progression, and capturing many planets and gathering power. Shortly after the start of the planet capture freeze, Black Sun was gone. It wasn’t long after Black Sun was dissolved that the Planet Capture Freeze was over. When I asked about this over OOC, I was told that it was ‘to prevent the Shadow Imperium from reaming everybody’, by Asmodean. But now that Black Sun is gone, the Shadow Imperium’s control of planets have more then tripled.

GenoHaradan dissolved
After expanding to a fair amount of members and delving into other lines of businesses, GenoHaradan looked like it had a positive future ahead of itself. The possibility of GenoHaradan getting any more powerful was quickly dissolved when..’controls’ were exercised

I think the immortals overall do a great job making sure people don’t break the rules and the recent code changes have been positive for gameplay. I’d just like to see that clans are able to come from nothing and have the freedom to grow big and evolve

Hindsight is 50/50 when it comes to some of the stuff imms do. The problem is that people tend to group up with their buddies, intentionally or not, and when a good group of people get together, they can dominate things pretty easily. I quite like the planetary freeze thing, it keeps the down-on-their-luck clans from falling apart immediately.

I agree with blue about the planetary freeze. It seemed like the planetary freeze halted Black Sun’s progress, until the Imperium was in a position to beat them in a war- which they more or less did. Then the Imperium took over every planet, without any freezes to slow down their progress and they have control of most of the galaxy.

As far as the dissolving of GenoHaradan I don’t know all the details, but it does seem suspicious. They were strong, but why wouldn’t a paramilitary organization have a navy? Capital_rules limits are the same for them as any other clan.

It just seems like the storyline has been decided by the imms and they will take all precautions to ensure it plays out the way they want.

On the other hand, it’s a bad idea for imms to prop up a clan because it’s doing badly to influence the storyline, or enforce a temporary ‘rule’ such as a planet capturing freeze to help one or another out, even if it wasn’t entirely intentional. There comes a point when a clan just needs to die because it lost fair and square, or win on it’s own, without interference or tampering. I noticed that last era (mmh.. this era?) as well, when the Rebels just didn’t die out. Seemed like the same kind of stalemate we saw last TL with the rebels, just slower.

The genoharadan thing is probably more to do with the fact they’re a BH guild than a paramilitary clan. If no other clan is allowed to have hunters except the BHG, why should the BHG be allowed to have every single other thing a major clan can have? Balance problems like crazy there.

Just give me all the planets, and control over the Galaxy…everyone will get free ice cream and cookies, but they will also have to work 23 hours a day with a 30 minute ice cream and cookie break followed by a 30 minute nap time.

While I would really like to make a comment, unfortunately, I am unable to state my full opinions of what has transpired this era as of this time.

Come see me again after EoT.

Suffice to say, I’ve had some disappointment with the way this era has gone.

Here is a big reason why the Black Sun failed:

( IMM | CHAT ) Lydor mortchats to you ‘( IMM | CHAT ) You mortchat to Tekal ‘I imagine that for balance issues at this time, no. But maybe you could think of a legal way to steal theirs though that would probably require either capturing their planet or outright winning a war.”

( IMM | CHAT )[Worik]: ‘Er, for balance issues? How does that make sense? They have a DSMF and blueprints, and we’re just asking for a DSMF and will develop the blueprints on our own.’

Here’s how the whole Black Sun vs. Imperium thing went:

We were letting the Imperium build us up and using their resources to get strong, while waiting for developments to come through (that never did) and we basically fought the Imperium the right way, since we were up against superior resources.

What the Black Sun had at the time: 3 ISDs, satellites, no forcers, no blueprints, nowhere to build anything, and the only hidden sector we had charts to was Dathomir, which the Imperium also had charts to.

What the Imperium had: ISD AND MC80 blueprints, a DSMF, three hidden sectors (Kessel, Golkus and Yavin IV, with access to Dathomir.) and multiple forcers including Neobacca.

Somehow, it was "balance issues" that kept Black Sun from getting thrown the one bone we ever asked for from the imms. I hope that clears up some issues.

edit: I just remembered. Kessel was hidden at the time and that’s where the DSMF was. So Lydor’s response to us asking for a DSMF was to tell us steal the Imperium’s DSMF from their hidden safe sector. Thanks!

That is why Era 3 of this TL should instead be era 1 – Sure, public nebulons, but also everyone having equal opportunities. Idea was pretty cool, though. But, shit happens, Imperium could have been beaten before pwning everyone if those government clans would stand up together <!– s:P –><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt="" title="Razz" /><!– s:P –>

Flek, they had the most credits of any clan at that time. They controlled planets. It doesnt sound like they wanted a handout so much as they wanted to make use of the resources they had, to get other things they need. Things that, unfortunately, you need an imm to get.

we had the credits to buy a DSMF and we had someone developing around the clock. both of which require an imm to complete. the only &quot;handout&quot; i wanted was to trade credits for a DSMF over bespin.