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June 27, 2009 at 9:17 pm #1106
The idea is basically a division-only channel. Its main purpose i could see is for organizing training and operations. Your navy will be operating on one channel, army on another, and then the bosses would be relating on the main clan channel.
What do you think?
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June 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm #10253
I was looking at old logs… the big thing that really helped clan organization was OOC clan, sadly. =p
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June 28, 2009 at 2:01 am #10256
This already goes on in most organized clans, Divisions set up a commnett channel and change it often mailing out the channel to active division members, this would add code support… Walldo hacked my brian for this idea.. I swear it!
Anyway the only downside would be people who spy on divisions like navys and listenin on operations but as it is thats the purpose of clanchat to keep people from doing that so why not one step further and 2 clan channels like the old stock subclan system. Divtalk all the way!
ps I tottaly look foward to setting my self in different divisions to snoop and offer un wanted input
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June 28, 2009 at 3:23 am #10257
Make sure that you can alter who sees what. Leadership div will want to see everything going on in all divs.
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June 28, 2009 at 7:21 am #10259
Ah .. no.
Clantalk works just fine for everything. This will only encourage LESS Cooperation between the divisions.
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June 28, 2009 at 8:41 pm #10264"Avanga":2g81cmlv wrote:Make sure that you can alter who sees what. Leadership div will want to see everything going on in all divs.[/quote:2g81cmlv]
That would be nice, but often the "leadership division" is also the division that has people that really don’t need to see the inner workings of all the divisions (e.g. new members); thus, I’d have it based on rank, not on clan division, if you want something as broad-based as that… or you could base it on a clan bestowment (perhaps one per division, and one for all divisions).While we’re at it, I’d really like to see division-specific rosters; every two-bit army and navy puke that needs roster to keep track of their enlisted folk really DOESN’T need to know the names of every intelligence agent in their government’s employ, after all.
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June 28, 2009 at 9:19 pm #10265
Now that I think of it, this could make for some fun situations… but I imagine there’d still be a mainstream clan channel that everyone would use, so the chances of being able to impersonate a Navy officer to sneak into a base would still be pretty slim.
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June 29, 2009 at 2:41 am #10271
On rj’s comment about people we dont want spying… Thats an easy fix. Simply stop setting your leadership in div 0. close off the division to 1 rank and shove leadership in div 1 any clan leader can reorganize their ranks its not an imm empowerment. Also Skiia its really helpfull. It gets really confusing when people are trying to do something especially in a main clan and every division head is playing 20 questions. Its easier to simply respond to your division head. this could further be developed to have a rank only channel so officers of clan could intertalk but lower ranks could only speak to the divisons it would stop people from going over there co’s head. If the clan is small simply make it a command for the leader of said clan to lower the main channel rank usage.
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June 29, 2009 at 2:36 pm #10272"Anastasius":3dw8qszb wrote:On rj’s comment about people we dont want spying… Thats an easy fix. Simply stop setting your leadership in div 0. close off the division to 1 rank and shove leadership in div 1 any clan leader can reorganize their ranks its not an imm empowerment. Also Skiia its really helpfull. It gets really confusing when people are trying to do something especially in a main clan and every division head is playing 20 questions. Its easier to simply respond to your division head. this could further be developed to have a rank only channel so officers of clan could intertalk but lower ranks could only speak to the divisons it would stop people from going over there co’s head. If the clan is small simply make it a command for the leader of said clan to lower the main channel rank usage.[/quote:3dw8qszb]
You really, really need to understand that just because there is one example doesn’t mean there aren’t more examples (in fact, it’s logically the opposite). New hires are only the most common. In many clans–the Republic(s) and Empire(s) especially–the "leadership division" is also the diplomatic/governmental division; that means that two-bit diplomats, senatorial aides, even the message boys… they could all see the operations channels for the army, navy, intelligence…
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June 29, 2009 at 11:45 pm #10276
Personally, I severely dislike the idea of a divtalk channel. For starters, most clans don’t possess a need for it currently, only having a sparse amount of people on at any given time and hardly in the same division. Even then, it seems like it could just be used as a private bash channel against other people in your clan who aren’t in that division.
In every clan, there’s always a certain amount of miscommunication that goes on. Some moreso than others. They can’t get it together with /one/ channel. Having just another one to try and juggle information through seems like a /really/ bad idea. For certain operations, encrypted channels have worked before, nothing’s to stop that from continuing. Keep in mind those operations often involve personnel from more than one division in a clan, too…
Overall, the possibility of downsides just outweight the benefits in my mind.
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June 29, 2009 at 11:52 pm #10278
I think we’ve got too many clans to begin with. There should be your pivotal story clans, and then the occasional hidden crime clan.
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June 30, 2009 at 3:13 am #10281"Avanga":38ceya0h wrote:I think we’ve got too many clans to begin with. There should be your pivotal story clans, and then the occasional hidden crime clan.[/quote:38ceya0h]
Eh, while I wouldn’t go to that level, I would agree. Two major clans, two engineering clans, and two other minor clans (mercenary, crime, religion, et al).
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June 30, 2009 at 2:56 pm #10284"Walldo":3ndoqxbd wrote:I agree kill the engie clans.[/quote:3ndoqxbd]
Well, the fact is that they existed in EU; yes, "LotJ isn’t EU," but that doesn’t mean we should completely erase something that both exists in EU and has existed on LotJ for as long as anyone can remember.That being said, it would be rather interesting to see the CONCEPT redone; engineering clans could still exist… but perhaps as divisions within major clans. Actual engineering divisions in major clans normally fail at life anyways, so throw them out and replace them with full "mini clans," ala the Jedi Order being a division in the Republic.
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