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June 19, 2009 at 10:56 am #1079
Yeah. You heard me. Dismemberment.
Although I think there are a few people against this idea.. Though, I’m not sure if I ever mentioned it.
But I think a way to do this would be modifying the wound functions, so that more hits to the area the further it gets damaged up until it would either be chopped off, or blown off. Could work for grenades too, giving them more of a chance to blow limbs off then a blaster.
This would open up opertunities for medics, and engineers. For cybernetic replacements. I understand that engineers already have way too many skills, but what do you expect? It would give medics something IMPORTANT to do, besides installing cybers and healing.
It could work both ways, really. Engineers could make the cyber limbs, or the medics. Either or. Doesn’t matter, but the cyber limbs could also need maintenance too every now and again, and have chances to fail at times. Give a bit more realism to that fact, or not. Luke’s limb never failed as far as I know. But then I’ve only seen it in the movies, not in the books. They could also help combat too. Could give things like enhanced strength, reflex.. Etc etc. You know.
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June 19, 2009 at 2:39 pm #10137
While I would personally not like it, two things:
Cybernetics should reduce force ability (perhaps FP?) based on their severity.
Medics should be able to clone replacement limbs (Boba Fett had it done!) for people that don’t want cybernetic limbs.
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June 19, 2009 at 9:53 pm #10143
We had the idea years ago. Thats why you can aim at people’s body parts. It never quite panned out the way we planned. Maybe in the future, when the rest of the coding list is tackled, we can finish this one up.
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June 19, 2009 at 11:21 pm #10145"RenegadeJedi":rdm0j9sb wrote:While I would personally not like it, two things:
Cybernetics should reduce force ability (perhaps FP?) based on their severity.
Medics should be able to clone replacement limbs (Boba Fett had it done!) for people that don’t want cybernetic limbs.[/quote:rdm0j9sb]
Cloned replacement limbs could have a chance of failing too. Sort of a balance between the two. Maybe have it not happen right away either. Perhaps once the new limbs is cloned and attacked the game decides whether or not it’s a bad replacement, and then a timer is started that eventually leads to the owner experiencing pain (slow loss of health?) and needing to have it removed. Probably a bit too much on that last bit though. *shrug*
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June 19, 2009 at 11:57 pm #10146"CruelAngel":7id972um wrote:"RenegadeJedi":7id972um wrote:While I would personally not like it, two things:
Cybernetics should reduce force ability (perhaps FP?) based on their severity.
Medics should be able to clone replacement limbs (Boba Fett had it done!) for people that don’t want cybernetic limbs.[/quote:7id972um]
Cloned replacement limbs could have a chance of failing too. Sort of a balance between the two. Maybe have it not happen right away either. Perhaps once the new limbs is cloned and attacked the game decides whether or not it’s a bad replacement, and then a timer is started that eventually leads to the owner experiencing pain (slow loss of health?) and needing to have it removed. Probably a bit too much on that last bit though. *shrug*[/quote:7id972um]
If we take Boba Fett as an example, they should "never be as good as the original" when they’re installed; instead of slowly draining HP, perhaps nuke dex, or something otherwise appropriate to the inadequacy.
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June 20, 2009 at 1:32 am #10148
This idea isn’t about levels. It’s about RP, and giving medics something to do besides stand there and spam first aid. If you lose force levels you lose force levels, it’ll be a good downside to it.
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June 20, 2009 at 2:24 am #10149"Onasaki":1m0vg7cm wrote:This idea isn’t about levels. It’s about RP, and giving medics something to do besides stand there and spam first aid. If you lose force levels you lose force levels, it’ll be a good downside to it.[/quote:1m0vg7cm]
Losing force levels doesn’t make sense. People who have cybernetics installed don’t lose knowledge of the Force; they lose power. Thus, FP.
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June 20, 2009 at 5:48 am #10152"RenegadeJedi":2w303r4b wrote:If we take Boba Fett as an example, they should "never be as good as the original" when they’re installed; instead of slowly draining HP, perhaps nuke dex, or something otherwise appropriate to the inadequacy.[/quote:2w303r4b]
I hesitate to use Boba Fett as the example (and I almost did in my reply) because his cloned limbs failed due to his specific genetics (he had tumors popping up all over the place) and not from the cloning of the limbs in general. However, it’s sort of moot anyways since if cloning an entire individual has a failure rate, then so should cloning limbs (though to a smaller degree depending on the size and complexity of the limb).
I used health loss just as an example related to the extreme pain of having a limb suddenly start to fail. I was going to suggest applicable affects depending on the limb in question (like dropping a dual-wielded weapon if an arm or hand fails, or slower movement speed if a leg or foot fails) but stat loss should only come into play if you also have stat loss when the limb was removed in the first place, not just on the clone limb failure.
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June 20, 2009 at 5:58 am #10153"RenegadeJedi":2i5dwia7 wrote:Losing force levels doesn’t make sense. People who have cybernetics installed don’t lose knowledge of the Force; they lose power. Thus, FP.[/quote:2i5dwia7]
No, they wouldn’t lose knowledge of the Force, but perhaps instead of (or in addition to) FP loss, certain force powers would be lost as well depending on the cybernetic replacement involved. Just an example, but a force user who has one or both of his hands/arms replaced with cybernetics might lose access to force lightning since channeling the energy through the limbs would probably fry them.
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June 20, 2009 at 12:58 pm #10155"CruelAngel":1nnbedjl wrote:"RenegadeJedi":1nnbedjl wrote:Losing force levels doesn’t make sense. People who have cybernetics installed don’t lose knowledge of the Force; they lose power. Thus, FP.[/quote:1nnbedjl]
No, they wouldn’t lose knowledge of the Force, but perhaps instead of (or in addition to) FP loss, certain force powers would be lost as well depending on the cybernetic replacement involved. Just an example, but a force user who has one or both of his hands/arms replaced with cybernetics might lose access to force lightning since channeling the energy through the limbs would probably fry them.[/quote:1nnbedjl]
That doesn’t mean a loss of levels, at all. Yes, Darth Vader couldn’t use force lightning–because his breathing apparatus was partially cybernetic. Yet, he could still choke people (a higher level skill, fyi). Luke Skywalker, on the other hand, got a cybernetic in his hand–and could still throw about lightning with said hand. It’s pretty evident that it’s not a direct corrolation.
Additionally, I could make the argument that the handicap preventing Vader from using force lightning was intentionally done by the Emperor; he made sure Vader’s armor was subpar in that regard (EMP shielding, I’d assume) to prevent him from being as much of a threat. Palpatine has a long-standing history of this: addictive substances pumping through Vader’s body, cybernetic replacements instead of cloned replacements (which were possible; the Emperor had cloning chambers and master cloners on staff)…
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June 20, 2009 at 6:36 pm #10158
At least in terms of canon, Darth Vader in the suit was less powerful than out of the suit because there was less fleshy bits of him.
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June 21, 2009 at 12:23 am #2701
Vader couldn’t use Force Lightning. Yes. True. That doesn’t mean he was less powerful in the use of force because of his cybernetics.
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June 21, 2009 at 1:36 am #2699"Walldo":1q14akgb wrote:At least in terms of canon, Darth Vader in the suit was less powerful than out of the suit because there was less fleshy bits of him.[/quote:1q14akgb]
That really depends on how you define power. On one hand, he was far more PHYSICALLY powerful within the suit, for obvious reasons. On the other hand, the argument that his force abilities were enhanced out of the suit could be attributed to the "fleshy bits" reason you said–if only it weren’t directly attributed to something far, far easier to explain. As I mentioned earlier, Vader’s suit had the equivalent of Sith cocaine flowing through his blood stream whenever he was in it, as an added incentive to keep the suit–and its inherent limits–on.
That all being said, a further argument on the definition of power arises: FP or levels? (The answer’s FP, btw. He actually couldn’t keep up actions as long as he used to be able to, which is the reason he couldn’t use the Force to sustain himself out of the suit… something he was capable of, for perhaps a few painful steps.)
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June 21, 2009 at 2:00 pm #10044
I could be wrong, but didnt Palpatine believe that Anakins loss of force ability was a psychological problem and not actually caused by the cybernetics?
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June 21, 2009 at 6:35 pm #10169"Rottki":278tw2z3 wrote:I could be wrong, but didnt Palpatine believe that Anakins loss of force ability was a psychological problem and not actually caused by the cybernetics?[/quote:278tw2z3]
If there’s any substance to that at all (and I can’t think of anything definite off-hand), it would likely be a ploy to throw Vader that much deeper into the dark side: "don’t blame your suit, blame your PUSSYNESS, wimp!"
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